Islam Exposed
Mohammed (Mahound in Sir Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses) was an
illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering,
hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/
plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" aka
"pretty, wingie thingies" and flying chariots to the koran but also a
militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands
of non-believers.
This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the
conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists,
the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite
suicide/roadside/market/ mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the
trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the
Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the
Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.
And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering,
Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third
Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.
Current crises:
The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11
wives), hallucinating founder
Added reading material- Ayaan Hirsi Ali's autobiography, "Infidel".
"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of
desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in
Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her
hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few
different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a
lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali
escaped -- and transformed herself into an internationally renowned
spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."
ref: Washington Post book review.
three excerpts:
p. 47 paperback issue:
"Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly beaten by
their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded
across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"
p.68:
"The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had castes. The Untouchable
girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would
not play with them because they were untouchable. We thought that was
funny because of course they were touchable: we touched them see? but
also horrifying to think of yourself as untouchable, despicable to the
human race."
p. 347
"The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood
of Kenya and Somalia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal
values. It preserves the feudal mind-set based on tribal concepts of
honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hyprocricy, and double
standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while
pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set
makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice
Islam".
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Bengla Dhoti
Hinduism Exposed
by Dr. Robert A. Morey
Introduction
Hinduism is one of the oldest pre-Christian pagan religions still
viable in the world today. While we think of it as the faith of Mother
India, it actually traces it origins to a mysterious tribe of
Europeans called the Aryans who invaded and conquered Northern India
from 1500 BC to 500 BC. The light-skinned Brahmins of Northern India
claim to be their physical and spiritual descendants.
The Aryans
The Aryans brought with them their sacred writings called the Vedas.
They were originally fire worshippers and this is why they believed in
cremation instead of burying their dead. They also invented the theory
of soul-transmigration in which at death you do not go to heaven or to
hell but you are reborn into another body on earth. This next body
could be animal, vegetable or human depending on whether you were good
or bad. Your past behavior catches up with you in your present life
due to the law of karma.
You could in your next reincarnation end up a clam, a carrot, a bush
or a human being. The highest rebirth you could wish for was to be
born as one of the white-skinned Brahmins who by virtue of their color
were considered the "higher" class.
The Ugly Reality of Racism
The inherent racism of historic Hinduism is thus blatant. You were
judged by the color of your skin, not the content of your character,
skills or talents. The darker your skin, the lower your caste and rank
in Hindu society. The whiter your skin, the higher your caste and
rank. The Brahmins prided themselves on their white skin while
despising the darker skinned untouchables who were often viewed and
treated as sub-humans.
This explains why Hindu gurus are more than willing to travel to the
West to convert rich white Europeans to Hinduism BUT never travel to
black Africa to make converts. The truth is, they don't want black
people whose skin color is an indication of bad karma. As long as they
can sucker rich white people into giving them money ("Money is evil.
So give it all to me.") why bother with darker skinned people?
This can be documented by the statements of many of the gurus who have
reaped riches in the West. When one guru was asked on TV what he was
doing to help the poor, he responded, "Let the Christians take care of
them. I am here to help the rich."
The Caste System
The terrible caste system was invented in order to protect the white
Brahmins from polluting their sacred whiteness with black blood. You
had to marry and to labor in the caste into which you were born. The
lines were clearly drawn and on one was allowed to move from one caste
to another by marriage or trade.
The mechanism of the caste system is tied to the Hindu theory of soul-
transmigration in which your rebirth determines your caste. Your
rebirth was predetermined by your karma. Your karma was in turn was
determined by how you lived in your past life. For example, if you
were born with a dark skin to untouchable parents, your life of misery
and poverty is your punishment for being evil in your previous life.
In other words, you are getting what you deserved.
The poor, the sick, the disabled, the dark-skinned, etc. are what they
are because of their own fault. The deserve their suffering because
they did something bad in a previous life and their karma has caught
up with them. We should not interfere with their suffering because if
we do, we will doom them to experience it in the next life. Thus the
kindest thing to do is to let them alone so they get their suffering
over and hopefully have a better rebirth the next time around.
On the other hand, if you were born with white skin to Brahmin
parents, your life of wealth and pleasure is your reward for good
deeds done in your previous life. You deserve to be rich and white.
You earned it. Thus you have no moral obligation to help those less
fortunate them you.
The social inequities of Hinduism ultimately led millions of lower
caste Indians to abandon Hinduism for Buddhism, Islam, Sikhism or
Christianity because those religions did not lock them into a rigid
caste system. Social and financial mobility required a change of
religion. Of course, if you were a rich white Brahmin, why would you
convert to a religion which would strip you of your social status and
wealth?
Social Evils
Being originally fire worshippers, Hinduism developed the grisly
practice of burning a widow alive on the funeral pyre of her husband
(suttee). If she did not willing jump into the fire, she was often
thrown into it by the mob gathered to watch her burn to death.
Child sacrifices to animal gods such as sacred crocodiles were common
until this Hindu practice was criminalized by the British. The ritual
murder and burial of travelers by the Kali cult (the thugees) is
another example of Hinduism's inherently demonic nature and
inspiration.
Other immoral practices of Hinduism included using children as sex
slaves in Hindu temples. They not only served the sexual perversions
of the priests and gurus but were used as prostitutes to bring in
money. The poorest of the poor who often could not afford to keep a
new child, left the baby in a temple assuming that the child would
have a better life with the priests than with its parents. They doomed
their child to a life of pain and misery.
The tourist who travels to India's many temples is often shocked by
wall art that depicts sodomy, child sex, orgies and bestiality of the
grossest kind. Yet, all this is part of what lies at the core of
Hinduism.
The same shock is received when tourists see Hindus drinking urine
from animals and humans and smearing dung in their hair and on their
body. The smell that emanates from the gurus, monks and holy men of
Hinduism is enough to warn us that Hinduism is rotten to the core. .
Why are we beginning our discussion of Hinduism with such ugly topics
as racism, the caste system, burning of widows, ritual child abuse and
gross immorality? To see the true nature of Hinduism we must study
what it produces in those societies where it is the dominant religion.
Thus a mere abstract philosophic presentation of Hinduism in the
classroom will give a false view of it. Hinduism is far more than a
list of abstract dogmas. It is actually a social program that seeks to
organize a culture according to Hindu concepts of soul-transmigration,
karma, race and caste.
The Philosophic Failures of Hinduism
1. Hinduism denies the existence of the infinite/personal triune God
of the Bible who exists independent of and apart from the universe
which He created out of nothing. It is atheistic in this sense.
2. Hinduism never solved the problem of the One and Many or the
infinite/personal dichotomy.
3. Those Hindus who emphasize the One over the Many, teach Monism (All
is One) and pantheism (All is God), erasing any distinction between
Creator and creation. "God" is an impersonal infinite force or power
which manifest itself as the universe around us. The "things" we see
around us do not really exist per se. They are only illusions of the
One. This is what the high caste Hindus teach the Westerners who come
to India in search of "enlightenment."
4. The vast majority of Hindus do not follow the Brahmin doctrine of
monism. Instead of emphasizing the One over the Many, they emphasize
the Many over the One and practice the most vile forms of polytheism
imaginable in which they worship millions of gods and goddesses. It is
said that the Hindus worship more gods and goddesses than the total
number of Hindus who exist today. They worship snakes, monkeys,
elephants, crocodiles, cats, insects and other absurdities.
5. As a world view, Hinduism fails to answer crucial questions:
a. Why does the Universe exist as opposed to not existing? Since it
cannot answer this question, Hinduism simply denies the existence of
the world around us. It is an illusion (maya) or dream.
b. Is the universe eternal or did it have a beginning? Hinduism has
always taught that the universe is eternal. But this has been
successfully refuted by modern science. This also exposes an inherent
contradiction within Hinduism. If the universe does not exist but is
illusionary in nature, how then is it eternal? How can Hinduism speak
of the universe going through eternal cycles if the universe does not
exist?
c. Why does the Universe exist in such a form that predictability and
science are possible? By denying the existence of the world around it,
Hinduism did not develop science and cannot exist why it works.
d. What is evil? Once again, since Hinduism could not answer this
question, it simply denied that evil existed.
e. Why does evil exist? Hinduism cannot answer this question.
f. What is man? Hinduism denies that we actually exist.
g. How can we explain the uniqueness of man? Hinduism cannot explain
why man is distinct from the world around him.
h. Why do we do evil? Hinduism cannot answer this question.
i. What is sin? Because it does not have a concept of a personal/
infinite Creator, Hinduism has no concept of "sin" per se.
j. How do we obtain forgiveness for our sins? There is no forgiveness
in Hinduism. You will have to suffer in the next life for the evil you
do in this present life. This answer exposes an inescapable
contradiction within Hindu philosophy. If the universe, evil, and man
do not actually exist but are only illusions (Maya), then on what
grounds does karma exist? If it does not actually exist either, then
on what grounds does reincarnation happen?
k. On what basis can we explain man's desire for meaning,
significance, justice, morals, truth and beauty? Hinduism has no
answer to these questions.
l. How can we provide a sufficient basis for meaning, significance,
justice, morals, truth and beauty? Hinduism cannot provide a
philosophic basis for any of these things.
Conclusion
Hinduism cannot answer the essential philosophic questions that always
arise wherever and whenever the human intellect matures. It has been
weighed in the scales of truth and have been found lacking.
Even more importantly, Hinduism has no concept of a Creator God, the
Creation, the Fall of man into sin and guilt, a Day of Judgment,
atonement or forgiveness, or a Savior who redeems us from our sins by
the sacrifice of Himself in our place.
It did not produce democracy, science or equality among different
races and racks of mankind. Instead it produced great social evils
which afflict the Indian people to this day. As a religion and a
philosophy, Hinduism is a complete failure and cannot provide a basis
for meaning, significance, justice, morals, truth
Posted by: khan | August 27, 2008 3:51 PM
Hinduism Exposed
by Dr. Robert A. Morey
Introduction
Hinduism is one of the oldest pre-Christian pagan religions still
viable in the world today. While we think of it as the faith of Mother
India, it actually traces it origins to a mysterious tribe of
Europeans called the Aryans who invaded and conquered Northern India
from 1500 BC to 500 BC. The light-skinned Brahmins of Northern India
claim to be their physical and spiritual descendants.
The Aryans
The Aryans brought with them their sacred writings called the Vedas.
They were originally fire worshippers and this is why they believed in
cremation instead of burying their dead. They also invented the theory
of soul-transmigration in which at death you do not go to heaven or to
hell but you are reborn into another body on earth. This next body
could be animal, vegetable or human depending on whether you were good
or bad. Your past behavior catches up with you in your present life
due to the law of karma.
You could in your next reincarnation end up a clam, a carrot, a bush
or a human being. The highest rebirth you could wish for was to be
born as one of the white-skinned Brahmins who by virtue of their color
were considered the "higher" class.
The Ugly Reality of Racism
The inherent racism of historic Hinduism is thus blatant. You were
judged by the color of your skin, not the content of your character,
skills or talents. The darker your skin, the lower your caste and rank
in Hindu society. The whiter your skin, the higher your caste and
rank. The Brahmins prided themselves on their white skin while
despising the darker skinned untouchables who were often viewed and
treated as sub-humans.
This explains why Hindu gurus are more than willing to travel to the
West to convert rich white Europeans to Hinduism BUT never travel to
black Africa to make converts. The truth is, they don't want black
people whose skin color is an indication of bad karma. As long as they
can sucker rich white people into giving them money ("Money is evil.
So give it all to me.") why bother with darker skinned people?
This can be documented by the statements of many of the gurus who have
reaped riches in the West. When one guru was asked on TV what he was
doing to help the poor, he responded, "Let the Christians take care of
them. I am here to help the rich."
The Caste System
The terrible caste system was invented in order to protect the white
Brahmins from polluting their sacred whiteness with black blood. You
had to marry and to labor in the caste into which you were born. The
lines were clearly drawn and on one was allowed to move from one caste
to another by marriage or trade.
The mechanism of the caste system is tied to the Hindu theory of soul-
transmigration in which your rebirth determines your caste. Your
rebirth was predetermined by your karma. Your karma was in turn was
determined by how you lived in your past life. For example, if you
were born with a dark skin to untouchable parents, your life of misery
and poverty is your punishment for being evil in your previous life.
In other words, you are getting what you deserved.
The poor, the sick, the disabled, the dark-skinned, etc. are what they
are because of their own fault. The deserve their suffering because
they did something bad in a previous life and their karma has caught
up with them. We should not interfere with their suffering because if
we do, we will doom them to experience it in the next life. Thus the
kindest thing to do is to let them alone so they get their suffering
over and hopefully have a better rebirth the next time around.
On the other hand, if you were born with white skin to Brahmin
parents, your life of wealth and pleasure is your reward for good
deeds done in your previous life. You deserve to be rich and white.
You earned it. Thus you have no moral obligation to help those less
fortunate them you.
The social inequities of Hinduism ultimately led millions of lower
caste Indians to abandon Hinduism for Buddhism, Islam, Sikhism or
Christianity because those religions did not lock them into a rigid
caste system. Social and financial mobility required a change of
religion. Of course, if you were a rich white Brahmin, why would you
convert to a religion which would strip you of your social status and
wealth?
Social Evils
Being originally fire worshippers, Hinduism developed the grisly
practice of burning a widow alive on the funeral pyre of her husband
(suttee). If she did not willing jump into the fire, she was often
thrown into it by the mob gathered to watch her burn to death.
Child sacrifices to animal gods such as sacred crocodiles were common
until this Hindu practice was criminalized by the British. The ritual
murder and burial of travelers by the Kali cult (the thugees) is
another example of Hinduism's inherently demonic nature and
inspiration.
Other immoral practices of Hinduism included using children as sex
slaves in Hindu temples. They not only served the sexual perversions
of the priests and gurus but were used as prostitutes to bring in
money. The poorest of the poor who often could not afford to keep a
new child, left the baby in a temple assuming that the child would
have a better life with the priests than with its parents. They doomed
their child to a life of pain and misery.
The tourist who travels to India's many temples is often shocked by
wall art that depicts sodomy, child sex, orgies and bestiality of the
grossest kind. Yet, all this is part of what lies at the core of
Hinduism.
The same shock is received when tourists see Hindus drinking urine
from animals and humans and smearing dung in their hair and on their
body. The smell that emanates from the gurus, monks and holy men of
Hinduism is enough to warn us that Hinduism is rotten to the core. .
Why are we beginning our discussion of Hinduism with such ugly topics
as racism, the caste system, burning of widows, ritual child abuse and
gross immorality? To see the true nature of Hinduism we must study
what it produces in those societies where it is the dominant religion.
Thus a mere abstract philosophic presentation of Hinduism in the
classroom will give a false view of it. Hinduism is far more than a
list of abstract dogmas. It is actually a social program that seeks to
organize a culture according to Hindu concepts of soul-transmigration,
karma, race and caste.
The Philosophic Failures of Hinduism
1. Hinduism denies the existence of the infinite/personal triune God
of the Bible who exists independent of and apart from the universe
which He created out of nothing. It is atheistic in this sense.
2. Hinduism never solved the problem of the One and Many or the
infinite/personal dichotomy.
3. Those Hindus who emphasize the One over the Many, teach Monism (All
is One) and pantheism (All is God), erasing any distinction between
Creator and creation. "God" is an impersonal infinite force or power
which manifest itself as the universe around us. The "things" we see
around us do not really exist per se. They are only illusions of the
One. This is what the high caste Hindus teach the Westerners who come
to India in search of "enlightenment."
4. The vast majority of Hindus do not follow the Brahmin doctrine of
monism. Instead of emphasizing the One over the Many, they emphasize
the Many over the One and practice the most vile forms of polytheism
imaginable in which they worship millions of gods and goddesses. It is
said that the Hindus worship more gods and goddesses than the total
number of Hindus who exist today. They worship snakes, monkeys,
elephants, crocodiles, cats, insects and other absurdities.
5. As a world view, Hinduism fails to answer crucial questions:
a. Why does the Universe exist as opposed to not existing? Since it
cannot answer this question, Hinduism simply denies the existence of
the world around us. It is an illusion (maya) or dream.
b. Is the universe eternal or did it have a beginning? Hinduism has
always taught that the universe is eternal. But this has been
successfully refuted by modern science. This also exposes an inherent
contradiction within Hinduism. If the universe does not exist but is
illusionary in nature, how then is it eternal? How can Hinduism speak
of the universe going through eternal cycles if the universe does not
exist?
c. Why does the Universe exist in such a form that predictability and
science are possible? By denying the existence of the world around it,
Hinduism did not develop science and cannot exist why it works.
d. What is evil? Once again, since Hinduism could not answer this
question, it simply denied that evil existed.
e. Why does evil exist? Hinduism cannot answer this question.
f. What is man? Hinduism denies that we actually exist.
g. How can we explain the uniqueness of man? Hinduism cannot explain
why man is distinct from the world around him.
h. Why do we do evil? Hinduism cannot answer this question.
i. What is sin? Because it does not have a concept of a personal/
infinite Creator, Hinduism has no concept of "sin" per se.
j. How do we obtain forgiveness for our sins? There is no forgiveness
in Hinduism. You will have to suffer in the next life for the evil you
do in this present life. This answer exposes an inescapable
contradiction within Hindu philosophy. If the universe, evil, and man
do not actually exist but are only illusions (Maya), then on what
grounds does karma exist? If it does not actually exist either, then
on what grounds does reincarnation happen?
k. On what basis can we explain man's desire for meaning,
significance, justice, morals, truth and beauty? Hinduism has no
answer to these questions.
l. How can we provide a sufficient basis for meaning, significance,
justice, morals, truth and beauty? Hinduism cannot provide a
philosophic basis for any of these things.
Conclusion
Hinduism cannot answer the essential philosophic questions that always
arise wherever and whenever the human intellect matures. It has been
weighed in the scales of truth and have been found lacking.
Even more importantly, Hinduism has no concept of a Creator God, the
Creation, the Fall of man into sin and guilt, a Day of Judgment,
atonement or forgiveness, or a Savior who redeems us from our sins by
the sacrifice of Himself in our place.
It did not produce democracy, science or equality among different
races and racks of mankind. Instead it produced great social evils
which afflict the Indian people to this day. As a religion and a
philosophy, Hinduism is a complete failure and cannot provide a basis
for meaning, significance, justice, morals, truth
Posted by: khan | August 27, 2008 3:50 PM
Foe bengali dhotiwala
AMOROUS GODS AND GODDESSES
Dr. Abraham Kovoor
All religions have their own gods. Members of one religion have no
faith in the gods of other religions.Some religions are monotheistic,
and others polytheistic. Let us get acquainted with the sexual
morality of some of these gods, and their genesis as given in the
scriptures of respective religions, and compare their morality with
that of civilized man.
Brahma and Saraswati
Brahma is one of the three main gods-Trimurti-of the Hindu pantheon.
He is the creator of the universe, Saraswati, who became the wife of
her own father, was the daughter of Brahma. There are two stories
about her genesis in the
"Saraswati Purana". One is that Brahma created his beautiful daughter
Saraswati direct from his "vital strength" or seminal fluid. The other
is that Brahma used to collect his semen in a pot whenever he
masturbated fixing his carnal eyes on the celestial beauty Urvasi.
Brahma's semen in the pot gave birth to Saraswati. Thus,Saraswati had
no mother.
This daughter or grand-daughter of Brahma is the Hindu goddess of
learning. When Brahma saw the beauty of Saraswati he became amorous.
To escape from her father's passionate approach Saraswati ran to the
lands in all four directions, but she could not escape from her
father. She succumbed to Brahma's wish. Brahma and his daughter
Saraswati lived as husband and wife indulging in incest for 100 years.
They had a son Swayambhumaru. Swayambhumaru made love with his sister
Satarpa. Through the incest of Brahma's son and daughter Brahma got
two grandsons and two grand-daughters.
SHIVA
God Shiva had two wives-Ganga and Parwati. It was while Shiva was
frolicking and making love with Parwati in the forest in the form of
elephants that Ganapati, the god with the head of an elephant was
born. On another occasion when Shiva was frolicking with Parwati in
the form of a monkey, Hanuman the monkey god was born.
Once when Parwati was away, Shiva had sexual inter course with a woman
called Madhura, who came to Kailas to worship him. On her return,
Parwati saw her husband Shiva making love with Madhura, and she became
a frog. When the period of the curse was over after twelve years, the
frog took the form of Mandodari who became the wife of Ravana, the ten-
headed king of Lanka. The sperm of Shiva which remained dormant in the
womb of Mandodari when the was frog began to develop, and finally gave
birth to Indrajit. Thus, the so-called son of Ravana-Indrajit of Lanka-
was an intelligence son of Shiva.
INDRA
Indra is the head of all gods. Amarawati was his celestial residence.
Arjun was born to Indra as a result of his clandestine adultery with
Pandu's wife, he had no hesitation in committing adultery with the
wives of other men. One day when Indra saw Ruchi, the beautiful wife
of Devasarma, he became extremely passionate and wanted to seduce her.
But Ruchi chased Indra out ,and he had to go away disappointed.
On another occasion Indra could not control his sexual passion when he
saw Goutama's wife Ahalya. He committed adultery with Ahalya when her
husband was away. On his return home Goutama saw Indra in sexual
interlock with his wife. Goutama cursed both of them.
Once Aruna visited Devaloka in the disguise of a woman. When Indra saw
this woman in disguise he could not control his passion. He had sexual
intercourse with this imitation woman. Bali was born as the result of
this un-natural homosexual cohabitation.
KRISHNA
Krishna is the 9th incarnation of Mahavishnu. Like Jesus Christ,
Krishna was born as the "son of man" at Ambadi among cowherds.
Although he had sixteen thousand and eight wives, Krishna did not let
other women go free. Once, when he saw some Gopi women bathing in the
river Kalindi, Krishna carried away their clothes from the bank of the
river, and got on a nearby tree to feast his eyes on the Gopi women
bathing in the nude. He returned their dresses only after each of them
came out of the water and worshipped him so that he could see their
nude bodies in full. It is claimed that Krishna was so potent that he
could satisfy all his 16008 wives at the same time.
RAMA
Sri Rama was another incarnation of Mahavishnu. He and his three
brothers Lakshmanan, Bharatha and Shatrugna were born to three wives
of King Dasharatha. Like Jesus, Ram and his brothers were not through
a human father although Dasharatha was the husband of their mothers.
They were conceived in their mothers' wombs as a result of the three
women eating portions of a sacred porridge.
JESUS CHRIST
Although St.Mary's other children were born to her husband Joseph, it
is said that Jesus alone was born to her as she got conceived through
Holy Ghost, one of the three-in-one god of the Christians. Although
May had many children, she is worshipper as a virgin by Christians.
SHEELAVATI'S CONCEPTION
According to a Buddhist scripture Sheelavati conceived in an unusual
way like St.Mary and the wives of King Dasaratha without sexual
congress with a man. Shakra in the Develoka knew that Sheelavati on
the earth was pinning to have a child. God Shakra came down to the
earth one night when Sheelavati was sleeping. He touched Sheelavati's
navel with his toe, and she conceived and gave birth to a child.
SABARIMALAI SASTHA
Sabarimalai Sastha or Ayyapa is a sylvan god worshipped by the
credulous Hindus of Kerala and Tamil Nadu in India. He is the son born
to Siva and Vishnu as a result of a homosexual act.
To escape from the curse of the powerful demon Durwasa, all the gods
joined together and churned the milky ocean to gather "Amrut"-a butter-
like ambrosia. They collected the "Amrut" in a pot, and kept it to be
served at a heavenly feast. An Asura (demon) from the nether world
stole the pot of " Amrut from Develoka. When the loss of the ambrosia
was detected, the omniscient Vishnu was able to know where it was. He
went to the nether world in the guise of Mohini, a woman of exquisite
beauty, and brought and back the "Amrut" and served it to the gods.
When Mohini was serving the Amrut, Shiva got intoxicated with her
beauty and had sexual intercourse with her, who was in reality Vishnu.
Vishnu became pregnant as a result of the homosexual act, and gave
birth to Sastha from his thigh. Both Shiva and Vishnu discarded this
un-naturally born illegitimate child in the forests of Sabarimalai in
Kerala.
JAGANNATH
Jagannath is the god enshrined in the famous Hindu temple at Puri.
Sankarachariya, the spiritual head of the present Hindus of India, is
the devotee of Jagannath of Puri. Hundreds of measures of rice and dal
are cooked here daily to feed the thousands of worshippers.
At the Jaya-Vijiya gate of this temple various type of sexual orgies
of the god Jagannath can be seen sculptured on granite stones. On the
outer walls of this temple are life-size sculptures of the 64 types of
sexual mating of men and women as described in the Kamasutra of
Vatsyayana.
The dance Bhajan in this temple begins after 10 p.m each day behind
closed doors. It is performed by one of the 120 dancing girls in the
service of the temple. Each night a new dancing girl will have to come
to the temple to dance before god Jaganath. This dance is witnessed
only by the lifeless statue of Jagnnath and the Brahmin priest who
plays on the musical instrument.
As the dance heightens to a crescendo, the girl discards her dress and
dances stark naked. She then throws herself to the statue of Jagannath
in an ecstasy shouting "O Lord, I am thy bride, please make love with
me".
Whether it is the lifeless idol of Jagannath or the living Brahmin
priest who makes love with her is not known.
Dancing girls who have retired form the service of god Jagannath are
now making both ends meet by leading a life of prostitution in the
streets of holy Puri. Their patrons are the worshippers who come in
their thousands to the sacred city.
In reality none of these gods exist or ever existed. They are the
products of mental fantasies of some surrealistic creative thinkers of
the past. Even today there are mentally deranged persons indulging in
creating new gods. All the amorous stores connected with these gods
also are the subjective creations of sex-starved surrealistic thinkers
obsessed with sexual thoughts.
The abominable and perverted morality among the godmen of India may be
due to the abnormal sex behaviour of their gods! Tall Brook, the
American devotee of Sai Baba, has written in his book about Sai Baba's
homosexual assaults on himself and other fair-skinned youths at
Puttaparti.
According to Beatle John Lennon, the reason why the Beatles left
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was the Maharishi"s attempt to rape one of their
women-Mia Farrow.
Guru Maharaj Ji was caught by a hidden camera in osculatory embrace
with the house-maid while his American wife was in another room.
The first Shankarachariya-Adisanakara-who led a celibate life claimed
omniscience. He could not answer a question from a devotee about sex
matters as he could not speak with authority about a thing he had not
experienced. So he asked the devotee to come later, and said that he
would answer him after experiencing sex. It is stated that
Shankaracharya got into the body of a married man, and had sex with
his wife.
Those who clamour for teaching religion in schools realize the dangers
of teaching innocent children in their impressionable ages obscene
stories about these imaginary gods. According to the modern standards
of civilized man's ethics and morality these gods are very bad
examples for our children to emulate. Let use refrain from teaching
falsehood to our children in the name of religion! ²
Posted by: Khan | August 27, 2008 3:44 PM
Asim,
You just make absurd statements only to show the shallowness of your
knowledge on Kashmir. Just as every Pakistani (particularly when they
meet a Hindu Indian) says s/he is from Azad Kashmir and sounds foolish
so does your view.
Let's see:
1. Exactly contrary to what you have written, Kashmir IS indeed Hindu
vs. Muslim (Secularism vs. Islam). That's what Hurriyat hardliner Syed
Geelani states why he is calling for Azadi of Kashmir. In conclusion
he says that however Azad Kashmir is impossible; so he wants Kashmir
liberated and merged with Pakistan (Islamic Republic).
2. Kashmir was not stolen by India. Its accession was legal; Maharaja
Hari Singh signed the instrument of accession with India when Paki
troops were attacking Srinagar. It was legal but a crafty move that
Nehru played to get Kashmir. Did Raja go against the wishes of the
majority of his people (Muslims) ? Yes. Did he do anything illegal ?
NO.
3. If Hindus and Jews have to vacate lands which have been occupied by
Hindus and Jews, then USA has to vacate what we know as America.
That's not possible. The European settlers came here, decimated the
local Indian population, and then ruled. Texas was stolen from Mexico.
Will Texas be ever handed back to Mexico by USA ? No. Going by such
and other similar precedences I do not see how Kashmir can be handed
back. In the extreme case, India needs to launch an all out full-scale
war against Pakistan of graphic dimensions to settle this score that's
been a pain on India's behind for 60 years. India has been terrorized
by Muslim fundies from Pakistan just because of this.
4. Palestine belongs to Jewish people. If you want the "Muslim lands"
to be surrendred by Jewish people, then there must be reciprocity. I
know from the Quran that, at the end, Muhammad ordered all Jews out of
Arabia. The Quran documents in various surahs that Jews lived in
Yathrib till Muhammad drove them out of their ancestral lands or had
them killed. Noone remained who was a non-Muslim. If today Palestine
will be given back, why Mecca will not be handed back to Israel ?
Makes sense ?
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 27, 2008 3:22 PM
This is disgusting. How can people drink cows urine. Deb or whatever
do you worship SEX organs. Is that true. Please enlighten us.
Posted by: Michael | August 27, 2008 3:12 PM
ENDER
What about Christians insisting on proselytizing Hindus with western
money and power.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 3:08 PM
Kashmir is no different than Palestine:both are occupied respectively
by brute Indian miliatry force and jewish brutal military force backed
by nuclear arsenals.
Thr issue is stolen or occupied land:and not Muslim vs Hindu or Arab/
Muslim vs jew-once the jews go back where they come from and the
ethnically cleanesed Palestinians who now number over six million are
allowed to return to PAlestine from their exile by the jews-all will
be peaecful.
Similarily once the occupying Indian army leaves and a UN sponsered
right of self-determination is enforced them peace will also prevail
in Kashmir.
It is all about stolen or occupied land in PAlestine and KAshmir and
not about people hating each other.
Posted by: Asim, San Antonio | August 27, 2008 2:43 PM
Christians in India would not have a problem if they did not insist on
proselytizing. Hindu and Jain Indians have hundreds of years of
experience with evengelical Muslims proselytizing with a sword in
their hand. Hindus never proselytize and don't really consider it your
right to do it to them. If they become dissatified with their religion
they'll come to you, or the Buddha.
Posted by: ender | August 27, 2008 1:40 PM
Pope condemns religious violence in India
Vatican city: Pope Benedict XVI on Wednesday condemned anti-Christian
violence in India, where at least 11 people were killed in three days
of violence as Christians clashed with Hindu mobs attacking churches,
shops and homes
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/pope-condemns-religious-violence-in-india/72296-2.html
Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 1:06 PM
Yukii,
Worshiping S** organs and drinking cows urine, Jesus christ. I appeal
to all hindus come to christianity. Make Jesus your savior. Shun these
filthy practises.
Posted by: George | August 27, 2008 12:47 PM
Sikhs have indeed borne the bestiality of the barbarian Mughal rulers.
Guru Arjan Dev was burnt alive at the command of Aurangzeb, for his
refusal to convert to Islam. The same intolerance is seen today in
Kashmir. Sikhs have been butchered in the hands of Muslims in times of
Partition in 1947. This small community is mostly of gallant, fun-
loving people.
ISLAM IS A BARBARIC RELIGION.
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 27, 2008 11:59 AM
Let's not forget the Sikhs, with the most recent claim to governance
of Kashmir other than the British, whom have been pretty much force
out of the region by outrageous human rights violations.
India was a Hindu nation that was conquered by Muslims then retaken by
Hindus many hundreds of years ago. Using standard Islamic practice,
Islam used its period of armed conquest to import millions of Muslims
and attempt to take over a nation by sheer numbers. Since Muslims
traditionally insist on Islamic states with a state gov't and don't
play well with others, India was kind enough in '47 to follow a UN
recommendation and voluntarily give up Pakistan for an Islamic state.
Sikhs ruled Kashmir at the time. Pakistani Islamicist have been
infiltrating and replacing the Hindu and Sikh population for 50+ years
and are using their normal terrorist tactics to take more of India. If
the Indian police or military fight back, they are blamed for human
rights violations, while Muslims force Islamic law on the entire area.
India should not give up another inch to Muslim invaders. They should
learn to live in a Secular society or move.
Posted by: ender | August 27, 2008 11:35 AM
Khan,
Pedophilia (sex with minors) is a bestial act (in view of modern
ethics). Prophet Muhammad has engaged in sex with Ayesha when the
little girl was 9 years old and he was 53 years old. (Opinions vary,
but the majority have agreed on the age of Ayesha when Prophet has
sexual intercourse with her.) I do not hold anything against Prophet
Muhammad for this. It's an incident that happened 1400 years ago. How
can we judge an incident that happened 1400 years ago based on the
attitudes of the 21st century ? That's unfair, and I give Prophet a
benefit of doubt. But, if you have sex with a minor you shall be
incarcerated and live in jail forever. If I am sitting in the jury on
your trial I'd probably recommend death-penalty because of having sex
with minors. It is same as raping a minor. That's a big no no in my
worldview/ethics. Pedophiles have no place in a civilized society as
ours. But, I won't have the same hatred for the same incident
occurring 1400 years ago. Get the drift ?? So, your citing of the
worship of sex organs in the animist/pagan Hindu rituals don't bother
me (or other Hindus). You come across as, unfortunately, as an
unintelligent, confused person unable to discern between issues. Thus
you have no credibility, and is just another distracting irritant on
this blog.
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 27, 2008 11:34 AM
Oh My Goodness, Bengali Dhoti has again resorted to personal attacks.
He isfrustrated and needs help. So you agree hindus do worship sex
organs atleast you have devoloped some courage to accept it. It is
because we have been showing you the right path and truth. And as
somebody said in the end truth prevails. I think we need to spend some
more time with you and I hope you will definitely embrase Islam the
greatest monotheistic religion. By providing a web address of some
creepy hindu organisation what are you trying to prove. Obiviously
these phallic worshipers will not talk good about Islam. I have
provided so much of evidence, that Hinduism doesn't even exist.
I think your own leaders who brought you independence have said that
Gita and Ramayna is ajust a literature a katha not more than that.
Come embrese Islam you will find truth. May almighty help you and show
you the right path
Amen.
See I am your wellwisher, I never curse you, really I pray that
almighty show you truth and a right path.
Posted by: Khan | August 27, 2008 11:12 AM
Anon. Christian,
Obviously you are Muslim hiding under anonymous blogname.
No Christian I know would mispell "Hallelujah" which you wrote "Alla-
luya". Obviously you are just trying to spell based on dipthongs/
phonetics and is off the mark.
For the record, I visited the site
http://www.geocities.com/indiafas/Hindu/hindu.htm
that apparently contains information which Khan has posted. Well,
partly they are true I admit. In particular the excesses of caste
seems true. But there are some features of this cite. The authors such
as Bipan Chandra, Sumit Sarkar who have been excerpted are themselves
well-known Marxists/Communists. That does not mean everything is
false. But, there is a misconception from what is posted. Some of the
Christian blognames, which I suspect are basically Muslims or one
Muslim, have expressed dismay at the mention of worship of "sex
organs" in the Hindu pantheon. Well, Hindu pantheon admits atheism,
paganism and even strict monotheism.
What is posted on the site is basically about Hindu society and tied
to "religious practices". Hindus of today hardly follow much of these.
The present cannot be judged on past. Hindu society has evolved and
considerably so than any of the Abrahamic societies (Judaism,
Christianity and of course the barbaric Islam). Malpractices have
happened and do happen. But, in general the society has much evolved
and in terms of progress kicked Islamic societies backwards. Muslims
are the most backward societies because they are ordained to live in
the past (per Quran). To the credit, Hindus did not go with the sword
from land to land and convert the locals by force or have brought
calamity on others like Muslims did and are even doing now (Kashmir).
But as a tit-for-tat, I am linking the following site which contains
details about the horrors of Islam.
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/
Just read the various articles there and make up your own opinions.
This site also suggests that Muhammad's wives were raped before
Prophet married them. Also, Muhammad was a mass-murderer and he
incited genocide of non-Muslims.
My view is that there is wrongs with any society. And one's way of
lifestyle maybe unpalatable to others. However as long as that
lifestyle/practice does not interfere with others, there should be no
problem.
Allah mian has asked Muhammad to kill non-Muslims; that is a serious
problem.
Islam is a barbaric religion. Kashmir shall remain as an integral part
of India.
P.S.: "Joseph", FYI, Kama Sutra is not a part of any Hindu "religion".
It is a sex manual. Ask your mom; she must have used it to get you
here.
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 27, 2008 10:47 AM
Jesus Christ, what a crap. Sex organs being worshiped.
YUKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!
Posted by: Chris | August 27, 2008 10:26 AM
Khan Sahib
Thanks for going in to details and exposing this sexy religeon full of
Kama-Sutra details. These penile,vagina and boob worshipers will never
understand the greatness of all the monothiestic religeons. I swear to
God they have that inferiority complex in their minds about their
baseless and crappy faith, but they have no balls to accept like their
Rama did not have. Nobody has even commented about the ciciness of
Rama in not freeing his wife from Rawana, who had her for 14 years.
The primary reason he took her was lust and these stupid people still
call her Pavitra. They have nothing to disprove it .Not only that they
even celebrate her pavitrata since then. ( What a Joke) You have done
a commendable job in trying to make these bigots to understand the
greatness of Islam, but as is mentioned in Quran, these Kafirs will
never hear, listen and see the true virtue of this great religeon.
Penile worshipers come out of this crap and embrace the great religeon
called islam. We are waiting for people like you who have nowhere to
go. Allah will take care of you. HE is merciful and forgiving.Come out
of confusion and embrace reality and not fiction.
Posted by: Joseph | August 27, 2008 10:24 AM
Yek,
After reading Khan's comments in detail, which infact seem to be
substantiated by literature, I thank Jesus that I did not convert to
hinduism. I can not believe that these guys perform such praying
practices. I almost felt nauseated.
Alla-Luya
Posted by: Anonymous Christian | August 27, 2008 10:08 AM
bENGALI DHOTI,
Come on I dare you to deny any of the allegations of your own
coreligionist Dr chatterjee. I feel sorry for people like you. You
look frustrated and desparate. Come On Embrase Islam. I pray almighty
shows you a right path.
Leave this ignorance and embrase the truth. Leave this filth and come
to purity.
Posted by: KHAN | August 27, 2008 7:22 AM
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Khan wrote:
"Prophet Mohammad Stands Number one."
Number one in phallus (lingam) stone kisser, yes. He also drank and
recommended camel urine for getting rid of illnesses.
Michael Hart wrote the book as his opinion. Other books you have cited
were much earlier. They are pre 9/11 books and the authors would have
a totally different view if they were aware of 9/11.
Prof. Samuel Huntington (Harvard University) wrote scathing
commentaries on Islam and Clash of Civilizations. Wanna know what he
wrote ?
Ibn Warraq has most vicious comments on Islam in his book WHY AM I NOT
A MUSLIM ? He opines that Muhammad was an impostor and crook. Warraq
thinks Muhammad invented Islam to suit his own political and murderous
agenda of global domination. He also thinks, based on a few distinct
sources, that Muhammad was indeed possessed by devil (Iblees).
Robert Spencer's biography (taken from Ibn Ishaq's earliest
biographies of Prophet Muhammad makes it clear that Muhammad was a war-
mongering, womanizer - attributes that CCNL has also confirmed in his
blogs on this thread.
Why should anyone convert to a barbaric religion called Islam ? It
seems that you are trying to drag others into your own pitiful state -
that being a Muslim.
I suggest that you reject Islam and get a life !
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 27, 2008 1:14 AM
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Holly crap what the hell. Is this true that hindis worship P!!!!!
Yukkkkk
Posted by: Steve | August 27, 2008 12:36 AM
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Truth Seeker, Truth Seeker, Truth Seeker,
What newspapers have you been reading?
Once again the flaws and errors of Islam hopefully to be published on
the front page of every newspaper in the world:
Islam 101-
Mohammed (Mahound in Sir Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses) was an
illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering,
hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/ hallucinating/
plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" aka
"pretty, wingie thingies" and flying chariots to the koran but also a
militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands
of non-believers.
This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the
conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists,
the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque
bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/ mosque bombers, the
Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies,
the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the
Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the
Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.
And who funds this muck and stench of terror?
The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran
aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi
Arabia.
Current crises:
The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11
wives), hallucinating founder.
Added reading material- Ayaan Hirsi Ali's autobiography, "Infidel".
"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of
desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in
Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if
she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story
that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a
wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But
instead, Hirsi Ali escaped -- and transformed herself into an
internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."
ref: Washington Post book review.
three excerpts:
p. 47 paperback issue:
"Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly beaten by
their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded
across the courtyards. "No! Please! By
Allah!"
p.68:
"The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had castes. The Untouchable
girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would
not play with them because they were untouchable. We thought that was
funny because of course they
were touchable: we touched them see? but also horrifying to think of
yourself as untouchable, despicable to the human race."
p. 347
"The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood
of Kenya and Somalia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal
values. It preserves the feudal mind-set based
on tribal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception,
hyprocricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial
advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in
Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very
painful for all who practice Islam".
And "Truth Seeker" or any other Muslim out there: we await your
rebuttal the above synopsis.
Posted by: Concerned The Christian Now Liberated | August 27, 2008
12:15 AM
Bengali Dhoti
This what people have to say about my Prophet(PBUH)
If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding
results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare
to compare any great man in modem history with Muhammad?
The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only
They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers
which often crumbled away before their eyes This man moved
not only armies, legislation, empires, peoples and dynasties, but
millions of men in one-third of the then-inhabited world; and
more than that he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the
ideas, the beliefs and souls.... His forbearance in victory, his
ambition which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no
manner striving for an empire, his endless prayers, his mystic
conversations with God, his death and his triumph after deathall
these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction
which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was
twofold: the unity of God and the immateriality of God; the
former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not;
the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other
starting an idea with the words. Philosopher, orator, apostle,
legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational
dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty
terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is
Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human
greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any
man greater than he?
- Lamartine
Histoire de la Turquie, Pans 1854, Vol. 11, pp. 276-77.
It is not the propagation but the permanency of his religion
that deserves our wonder; the same pure and perfect
impression which he engraved at Mecca and Madina is
preserved, after the revolutions of twelve centuries by the
Indian, the African and the Turkish proselytes of the Koran...
The Mahometans have uniformly withstood the temptation of
reducing the object of their faith and devotion to a level with
the senses and imagination of man. I believe in One God and
Mahomet is the Apostle of God' is the simple and invariable
profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has
never been degraded by any visible idol; the honors of the
prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtue;
and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his
disciples within the bounds of reason and religion.
- Edward Gibbon and Simon Ocklay
History of the Saracen Empire, London 1870, p 54.
He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope's
pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a
standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without
a fixed revenue. If ever any man had the right to say that he
ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammad, for he had all the
power without its instruments and without its supports.
- Bosworth Smith
Mohammad and Mohammadanism, London 1874, p 92.
It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character
of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and
how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty
Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And
although in what I put to you I shall say many things which
may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read
them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for
that mighty Arabian teacher.
- Annie Besant
The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras 1932, p 4
His readiness to undergo persecution for his beliefs, the high
moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up
to him as leader, and the greatness of his ultimate
achievement all argue his fundamental integrity To suppose
Muhammad an impostor raises more problems than it solves.
Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly
appreciated in the West as Muhammad.
- W Montgomery Watt
Mohammad At Mecca, Oxford, 1953, p 52.
Muhammad, the inspired man who founded Islam, was born
about AD. 570 into an Arabian tube that worshipped idols.
Orphaned at birth, he was always particularly solicitous of the
poor and needy the widow and the orphan, the slave and the
downtrodden. At twenty he was already a successful
businessman, and soon became director of camel caravans for a
wealthy widow. When he reached twenty-five his employer,
recognizing his meet, proposed marriage. Even though she was
fifteen years older, he married her, and as long as she lived
remained a devoted husband. Like almost every major prophet
before him, Muhammad fought shy of serving as the
transmitter of God's word, sensing his own inadequacy But the
angel commanded Read'. So far as we know, Muhammad was
unable to read or write, but he began to dictate those inspired
words which would soon revolutionize a large segment of the
earth: "There is one God." In all things Muhammad was
profoundly practical. When his beloved son Ibrahim died, an
eclipse occurred, and rumors of God's personal condolence
quickly arose. Whereupon Muhammad is said to have
announced,' An eclipse is a phenomenon of nature. It is foolish
to attribute such things to the death or birth of a humanbeing."
At Muhammads own death an attempt was made to
deify him, but the man who was to become his administrative
successor killed the hysteria with one of the noblest speeches
in religious history: 'If there are any among you who
worshipped Muhammad, he is dead. But if it is God you
worshipped, He lives for ever'.
James A. Michene~
"Islam: The Misunderstood Religion,"
Reader's Digest (Amencan ea.) May 1955, pp. 68-70.
My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most
influential persons may surprise some readers and may be
questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who
was supremely successful on both the religious and secular
level.
Michael H. Hart
The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History,
New York: Hart Publishing Company Inc. 1978, p 33.
Posted by: Khan | August 27, 2008 12:13 AM
Deboo does it hurt when the truth prevails. I can see desparation in
you tone. Come to Islam leave this creepy religion.
Prophet Muhammad - The Most Influential Man in History
from the book by Michael Hart
The following is from Michael Hart's book and lists Prophet Muhammad
as the most influential man in History. A Citadel Press Book,
published by Carol Publishing Group
Ranking of the twenty from the list of 100:
Prophet Muhammad
Isaac Newton
Jesus Christ
Buddha
Confucius
St. Paul
Ts'ai Lun
Johann Gutenberg
Christopher Columbus
Albert Einstein
Karl Marx
Louis Pasteur
Galileo Galilei
Aristotle
Lenin
Moses
Charles Darwin
Shih Huang Ti
Augustus Caesar
Mao Tse-tung
Prophet Mohammad Stands Number one.
None of your creepy Gods is even mentioned anywhere.
This book is not written by a muslim, a pakistani or a kashmiri.
Again I tell you read the quran and please understand it. I again pray
to almighty he shows you a right path.
Come and embrace Islam, leave this filthy religion in which there is
nothing but filth. I am seeing desparation in your words, Islam is a
religion of peace, forgiveness and passion embrace it you will find
the difference.
Posted by: Khan | August 27, 2008 12:07 AM
Khan fulminated:
"Your Temples in south India have small phaluses of stone made."
Hmmmm......Is that all you got ?
The black stone at Ka'aba (Makkah) is a "shiva lingam" (Lord Shiva's
phallus) too ! Prophet Muhammad kissed that stone understanding that
it was indeed a "shivalingam".
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 26, 2008 11:42 PM
Anonymous urf Bengali Baboa urf Bengali dhoti.Sarojni Naido and MGK
have not read quran and Hadees and You have read it and in fact
understood it. Well I again invite you to this great religion. Again
pray to almighty that he shows you a right path, to differentiate
between just and injust, right and wrong. Truth and falsehood.
Again I am challenging you, you cant even dare to deny what Dr
chatterjee has written. Your own brother, your coreligionist has a
clear message for you.
You live in this great country called US. Have you told your white
friends about your faith, that you worship sex organs (LINGHUM AND
YOONI) you worship elephants and monkeys as they are your GODS. You
worhip snakes. You drink cows urine as you think it is your mother.
Your Temples in south India have small phaluses of stone made.That,
your female who cant concieve use these intruments while in the temple
and then sleep with the priests, you have prostitution intemples
(Devdasi Culture)
Posted by: Khan | August 26, 2008 11:21 PM
KHAN, don't get all that carried away. MKG and Sarojini Naidu did not
read the Quran, Hadiths and Shariah Law. Their opinions are based on
what Muslims told them about Islam and Mohammad.
Jews in Mecca in Mohammad's time were not so impressed. They were
willing to die than give up their religion.
Read the Bible in full if you want to understand the Quran properly.
All the persons mentioned in the Quran are mentioned in the Bible too,
except in a slightly different way.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 11:04 PM
KOSHUR, don't be fooled, should Kashimiris ever break away from Indian
rule, there is no way on earth that they can stay independent, for
Pakistan will lay claim to the country with a Muslim majority.
Pakistan was created that way in 1947, and there is no reason why they
won't use the same reasoning to annexe an independent Kashmir.
Beware of what you pray for separatist Kashmiri Muslims. You have more
to lose if your prayer should come true. You are going to need a
passport and visa to enter India, a work permit to apply for any job
(remember even people from the West are looking for the Indian market)
in India. Alternatively you will need to seek jobs in Pakistan.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 10:58 PM
Bengali Dhoti, Just deny any of the allegation of Dr chatterjee about
your religion.
This what Hindu Leaders have to say abot Prophet Mohammad(PBUH)
Mr. Mahatma Gandhi:
"Someone has said that Europeans in South Africa dread the advent
Islam -- Islam that civilized Spain, Islam that took the torch light
to Morocco and preached to the world the Gospel of brotherhood. The
Europeans of South Africa dread the Advent of Islam. They may claim
equality with the white races. They may well dread it, if brotherhood
is a sin. If it is equality of colored races then their dread is well
founded."
And in "Young India", he wrote:
"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today's undisputed sway
over the hearts of millions of mankind....I became more than convinced
that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in
the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-
effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his
intense devotion to this friends and followers, his intrepidity, his
fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These
and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every
obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I
was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."
Miss. Sarojini Naidu, Poetess, in Ideals of Islam: It was the first
religion that preached and practiced democracy; for in the mosque,
when the minaret is sounded and the worshipers are gathered together,
the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant
and the king kneel side by side and proclaim, God alone is great." The
great poetess of India continues, "I have been struck over and over
again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes a man
instinctively a brother. When you meet an Egyptian, an Algerian and
Indian and a Turk in London, it matters not that Egypt is the
motherland of one and India is the motherland of another."
Prof. Ramakrishna Rao, in "Muhammad the Prophet of Islam":
"The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into the
whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic
succession of picturesque scenes! There is Muhammad, the Prophet.
There is Muhammad, the Warrior; Muhammad, the Businessman; Muhammad,
the Statesman; Muhammad, the Orator; Muhammad, the Reformer; Muhammad,
the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad, the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad,
the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad, the Judge; Muhammad, the Saint.
All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human
activities, he is alike a hero." ... Muhammad is the "Perfect model
for human life."
Posted by: KHAN | August 26, 2008 10:56 PM
Khan wrote:
"I would, like Joseph, appeal you again come and embrace islam. you
will have solace and peace by embracing this great religion."
Can accept death, like my fellow Kashmiri Hindu Pandits who were
slaughtered by Muslims, but never Islam.
Islam is a barbaric religion.
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 26, 2008 10:44 PM
Bengali dhoti, Come on repond to Dr Chatterjee's remarks about
hinduism. He is not a muslim, he is not an ISI member, he is not a
pakistani nor a kashmiri. You will again say he is a converted muslim.
Infact he is not. go and google his name you will come to know about
his contribution.
I have shown you a mirror. I would, like Joseph, appeal you again come
and embrace islam. you will have solace and peace by embracing this
great religion. May almighty help in understanding what is right and
what is wrong. I pray that almighty show you a right path.Stop bashing
any religion.Dont do it. You dont want me to bring more disgrace to
you and your coreligionists.
Posted by: KHAN | August 26, 2008 10:38 PM
Khansaheb:
Thanks for the run down on Hindu pantheon. Some of it is quite
interesting. I am curious to know the ISBN of the book ("Oh! You Hindu
Awake") by Dr. Kamal Chatterjee, M.A., PH.D (U.S.A), (which is your
source). If Prophet Muhammad knew about such wonderful carnal
knowledge, he would also consider embracing Hinduism instead of
Islam.
Can you provide us with the complete reference, please ?
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 26, 2008 10:32 PM
CCNL,
You are defeated in Iraq and Afghanistan like how you were defeated in
Vietnam. Russia has reemerged as super power. China is emerging.Your
muslim bashing is not going to help anymore.Better listen Barak Obama
and be friendly with muslim countries if you want to save your sinking
economy
Posted by: TRUTH SEEKER | August 26, 2008 10:28 PM
Report Offensive Comment
DEB, we suspect patriotism of uppercast Hindus. All you guys want to
do is grab power by hook or crook. There is no riots in Mayawathi
ruled utterpradesh, Lalu ruled Bihar, Communists ruled Kerala or
Karunanidhi ruled Tamilnadu. We Muslims Dalits, Adivasis and Backward
casts will unite and rule India one day. That will be the end of
terrorism and riots. But we will give you guys due respect then
Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 10:22 PM
I would have never posted these articles here but it is important to
expose these worshipers of phallus.
Here comes more from Dr Chatterjee
KALI-GODDESS OF VIOLENCE
A recent report by United Press trust of India (UPI) stated that
during the past three years more than 2,500 young boys and girls were
sacrificed to goddess Kali in India. Another of AFP's recent reports
say: hundreds of young boys and virgin girls are sacrificed every
month for the deity Kali. In one case Rama Sewak hacked his eight year
old son to death in broad daylight in Dehii because goddess Kali had
told him he would come back to life and bring him good fortune.
Bloodthirsty Kali is worshipped openly the length and breadth of
India.
Kali's statue stands naked astride the inanimate body of the Hindu
deity Shiva, tongue stuck out with blood dripping from fang-like
teeth. She holds a noose, a skull-topped staff, a blood-encrusted
sword and a severed head. She is also known as Durga, Devi, Shaktima,
Uma and Parvathi in other manifestations.
The priest of Delhi, Kali Bari, says that a child sacrificed to Kali
ensures a man the birth of a son. Human sacrifices are also made to
these gods or goddesses, either to appease them or to ask favours of
them.
Bihar's police chief J. Sahay said: "We have tried our best to curb
human sacrifices, but what can an agency do when an entire village
chooses a victim and cuts off his head with his parent's consent."
Bihar's famous lawyer, Urnkant Chaturvedi, said that "Human sacrifice
under our law is treated as murder, but the killer- never found - is
always the local high priest." He continues, "at times the local
policemen are reluctant to take action because of the inbred fear of
the gods and goddesses."
A famous human sacrifice occurred in 1972 when a powerful leader in
Maharashtra state- in order to find a treasure - offered blood from 11
virgin girls to Manja. He did not find the treasure, but four persons
were hanged for the crime and the main culprit escaped because of his
political influence. Some time ago, two brothers named Siddharth and
Ravi asked their 21 year old sister Shobha to take a bath and come for
prayers to a nearby temple in Kerala State. To her horror, the
brothers pierced her with a sword and iron rods whilst chanting Vedic
mantras. Withering in pain, she begged for pity, but she was cut to
pieces and her body burned bit by bit. The brothers had done it to
unearth a hidden treasure. At first they tried to find another victim
but when they failed to find another virgin girl, they sacrificed
their own sister.
One may ask why this human sacrifice is so prevalent in Brahmanic
society and is sanctioned in the Vedas (where it is mentioned as
`purushamedha'? Was it, as is sometimes fraudulently claimed, due to
cannibal Adivasi influence ? No ! The answer is : Human sacrifice was
spread amongst the non-Brahmins by the Brahmins in order to make the
non-Brahmins kill each other. One may ask, could this not boomerang
onto the Brahmins themselves ? The Big Brahmins had of course thought
of this : Only Brahmin children are exempted by the Vedas from human
sacrifice.
GODDESS PANCHALI
This goddess was married to five brothers. Which one would become the
legitimate father of his child should she have one? Dr Charles says
that instances of incest are common in Hindu scriptures.
SHANKARACHARYA OF PURI - "HIS HOLINESS"!
SHANKARACHARYA OF PURI, NIRANJAN DEV TEERTH, one of the BRAHMINS'
supreme Spiritual leaders, gave an interview to the Kalyan (Hindu)
monthly magazine. Extracts are given below:
Q: "Maharaj! if a Shudra acts righteously, can he become a Brahmin?"
A: "If the Shudra acts according to his code and keeps within the
limit of Varnashrama he may become a Brahmin in the next birth - but
never in the present."
Q: "Is the belief in the caste system essential?"
A: "Yes, it is very essential. There can be no PROGRESS without belief
in caste system.
Q: "Maharaj! The change of caste depends on deeds and virtues."
A: "No, it depends on birth and not on deeds. Caste depends on birth,
deeds cannot change it. This is an IRREFUTABLE TRUTH".
At the inaugurating of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (RSS Branch) at Patna
in April 1969, the Shankaracharya (of course he is a Brahmin! ) said:
"Untouchabitity is a part and parcel of Hindu social system, I shall
cling to this belief even if they HANG ME. "
On Low Caste Hindus! Have a look and see what the Brahmin MANU says
(Chapter VIII Sloka 4,14). "Slavery is inborn among the Shudras and no
one can free them from it".
The Brahmin MANU again says in Chapter 19, Sloka 413: "Sri Brahmin had
intended from eternity that the Untouchables should be born slaves,
live as slaves, and die as slaves."
On another occasion the Acharya said that there was no way out for a
woman who becomes a widow other than to commit Sati. He said he will
oppose the Sati law even if the Government of India HANGS him.
Instead of sending him to prison, according to the Indian
constitution, this fanatic priest is often visited and worshipped by
the top Brahmin leaders in India.
ACHARYA RAJNEESH
This is none other than the internationally famous "SEX SWAMIJI." He
preaches free sex involving orgies and he says that before life comes
to an end one should indulge in as much sexual activity as is humanly
possible. This he claims is what blissful heavenly life is. He is a
true swami, in that, he not only preaches but is also actively
involved in practising what he preaches.
He also teaches the love for wealth and materialism. Little wonder
that this "god man" owns over ninety Rolls Royces and a ranch in
America! Rajneesh and his "Holy" group are well known to carry all
kinds of sexually transmitted diseases.
CHANDRA SWAMI
This controversial "globe trotting" godman has links with scandals
like the Bofors scandal. He spends much of his time attending to the
individual problems of Hollywood stars, multi-millionaires and other
famous people. Should anything happen to them he rushes to their aid
in a chartered private jet. He never misses an opportunity to pose for
photographs with them so as to appear in international magazines like
Time and Newsweek. Why doesn't he attend to some of Indian's problems
as well?
Pamella Bordes, the Ex-beauty queen of India, and a well known
prostitute, was used by this Swamiji for some of his international
frauds which have come to light very recently.
SWAMI DIRENDRA BRAMACHARI (THE GODLY RAMBOH)
Why does a "HOLY MAN" need a GUN FACTORY? This Swamiji has one! A gun
with a licence to protect himself is justifiable ....... but this
Swamiji needs a gun factory to protect himself ? He also has had a
helicopter pad constructed for his convenience. (His followers include
Nani Palkiwala and Manoj Kumar).
The author has very high appreciation for the following HOLY MEN in
preference to other HOLY MEN:
RAJNEESH - THE SEXY "HOLY" MAN.
MAHARISH - THE FLYING "HOLY" MAN.
CHANDRA SWAMI - THE HOLLYWOOD "HOLY" MAN.
SAI BABA - THE MAGIC "HOLY" MAN.
SWAMI DIRENDRA BRAMACHARI - THE "GODLY" RAMBO
THE HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA MOVEMENT
This group is now attracting hundreds of drug addicts in the U.S. and
THE WEST. Like the Hindu Saints (Sanyasis) of Kashi (Varnasi) they
smoke and take drugs in all sorts of different forms.
A UNI press report (15-8-1987) said, under the heading of "SECT CHIEF
IS CONVICTED KILLER". - that the Hare Krishna's chief is a convicted
killer and drug dealer. The swami, 38 year old Thomas Drescher, is
imprisoned at the West Virginia state penitentiary for gunning down
Steven Bryant, 33, in Los Angeles. Drescher was also convicted in 1979
for manufacturing and distributing drugs and was found guilty in
January 1983 of slaying a Krishna devotee. Finally the report
concludes that since 1977, seven of the original I I gurus named by
the HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA movements founder have been removed for
reasons ranging from CHILD abuse, DRUG dealing and SEXUAL
promiscuity.
O Ramacandra, these scriptural injunctions were laid down by learned
men, skilled in inducing others to give, and finding other means of
obtaining wealth, thus subjugating the simple-minded. Their doctrine
is 'Sacrifice, give in charity, conse- crate yourselves, undergo
austerities, and become ascetics'. 0 Rama, be wise, there exists no
world but this, that is certain! Enjoy that which is present and cast
behind thee that which is unpleasant! Adopting the principle
acceptable to all, do thou receive the kingdom offered thee by Bharat
(Ramayana, Ayodhya Kanda, 108).
IMPORTANT QUESTIONS
What good has Hinduism done for India?
Does Hinduism have the answers for todays problems? Alcoholism -
Drugs- Divorce - Suicide etc.
To these gods move, think or speak?
Can they defend themselves if attacked; or mend themselves if broken?
Don't you think it foolish to worship these manmade objects?
Does India belong to the Indians (95 %) or the Brahmins (5%)?
Did Hinduism originate in India itself or did it come with the Aryans
via the Khyber Pass?
Can a person convert and become a Brahmin?
What is the relationship between the Aryans of India (Brahmins) and
the Aryans of Germany (Hitler's Nazis)?
Why do the Brahmins and Nazis have the same symbol - the Swastika?
(Look at the racist National Front symbols in South Africa).
Ask yourself who is your God? Is it Shiva, who has the moon and river
Ganges on his head and who could not identify his own son? Or is it
Rama who couldn't see through Sukrievan's disguise and who murdered
another god? Or could it be Krishna, the "playboy god"?
THE BRAHMIN CONSPIRACY
The conspiracy and intrigue of domination over other human beings has
been the main objective of Brahminism all along. Brahminism, an Aryan
concoction of human and insatiable lust for hegemony, sex and money,
sought to rule the ignorant and deprived masses in the name of
religion.
This is very visible from the content, tone and message of the holy
books, written and perpetuated in the name of religion by the
Brahmins. How can these books be called the word of God? They contain
the most exotic form of pornography, the most depraved norms of
behaviour and the most unjust and ugly system of life based on
extortion, cruelty and blood thirsty hunger for domination over
others. The Hindus are not Brahmins and the Brahmins are not Hindus.
At least this is evident from the books written and disseminated by
the Brahmins themselves.
The Sudroids are the original inhabitants of Hindustan, the very
people who were the true architects of the Indus Valley civilization
which was considered to be one of the best examples of human societal
development in the entire history of the human race. The barbaric
Brahmins came from the wastelands of the region beyond the Himalayas
and destroyed the great monuments of culture and civilization and
pushed the real inhabitants of India into slavery.
Slavery is the message of the Brahmins "holy" books concocted by them.
Just as the Jews divided humanity into Jew and Non Jew, so has the
Brahmin. The whole world is classified in these books as Brahmin and
Non Brahmin. The non Brahmin is to remain internally a slave unto the
"master" who has dominated Indian history since he lay his hand on
it.
We must break the chains, once and for ever. The bondage and the
slavery must go. But first let us find out what these books say. On
concept of democracy, social justice, secularism, politics, economics,
leadership and elections are all based on the wretched caste system,
an evil curse that has been spun round the necks of the innocent and
deprived.
Let us tear the mask away from those evil faces, which stare at us
from every nook and corner of our lives.
The intelligent reader can easily uncover the ulterior motives of
Brahmins as to why they incite High Caste Hindu mobs to kill Low Caste
Hindus or for creating communal tensions with other minorities ever so
often. This they do in order to continue their stranglehold on state
policies, so that they can manipulate them to their advantage; they
don't care adamn for the nation of India... Read for yourself what the
Brahmin priest Purshottam Rao has to say......
PURSHOTTAM RAO
Temple priest HYDERABAD
Q: Should sadhus enter politics?
A: There was a time when Brahmins used to dictate state policy. Now we
have been totally sidelined. The VHP is trying to correct this
historical wrong by bringing religious leaders to the forefront of our
national life. It is now time for the entire Hindu religious
leadership to once again lead the nation.
The Continuing War on Low Caste Hindus......
NEW DELHI, Sept. 19 (R) - Three Indian students set themselves ablaze
today to try to shock the government into scrapping plans to reserve
more government jobs for low castes in the Hindu hierarchy.
'This (job's plan) is for the poor classes who have been denied their
rights for thousands of years. The students shouldn't come in their
way," Paswan told Reuters. Protests led by upper-caste students began
sweeping north India soon after Prime Minister Vishwanath Pratap Singh
said on August 7 that 27 percent of government jobs would be set aside
for low castes.
Paswan was himself born an "untouchable" or outcast in the system,
which traditionally decides occupation and status by birth.
"Untouchables" prefer to call themselves "Dalits," the oppressed.
Paswan told a conference of political leaders and officials today that
the jobs plan had to go ahead to raise the status of low castes and
create a more sympathetic bureaucracy.
He said the upper castes were still taking jobs set aside 40 years ago
for Dalits by simply delaying the implementation of reservation
policies. Bureaucrats would employ an upper-caste graduate with
irrelevant qualifications for a typist's job and turn down a Dalit
trained to type at 60 words per minute, he said.
Posted by: Khan | August 26, 2008 10:09 PM
"Oh! You Hindu Awake"
by Dr. Kamal Chatterjee, M.A., PH.D (U.S.A)
For all hindu creeps. See What Dr Chatterjee has to write about your
creepy faith.
THE HINDU RELIGION EXPOSED
Brahmins always criticize, condemn and mock at other religions Their
criticism and mocking is unreasonable and unacceptable.
In his autobiography, Dr Charles , an American scholar says that it is
very simple to define a Hindu. He says a Hindu means "one who believes
in anything and everything if said in the name of god and shall never
question its authenticity".
The Brahmins claim that Lord Rama is incarnated (came in human form)
to study and understand the difficulties of mankind. Is it really
necessary for a god to incarnate Himself?? CAn he not understand the
creation? Why should God become a donkey or a cockroach in order to
understand the sufferings of these creatures?
LUSTFUL SITA VS THE "IMPOTENT" RAMA
Sita told Rama "You are no better than a woman-monger who lets his
wife for hire and makes is livelihood. You want to be profited by my
prostitution". Sita also told Rama "You lack in POTENCE, manners and
charm" & "She called her husband a simpleton".
As soon as Sita stepped into Ravan's palace her love towards Ravan
grew more. (Aranya Kandam,
Chapter 54).
When at length Rama asked Sita to swear about her chastity, she
declined and died. (Uttara kandam, Chapter 97).
Kukuvavathy, sister-in-law of Rama, said to him - "Oh Elder! How you
love Sita more than you love yourself! come with me and see what
really is in your lovely wife's heart. Still she could not forget that
fellow Ravan. Drawing a picture of Ravan on hand-fan and pressing it
closed to her bosom She is lying on your bed with eyes closed thinking
on and rejoicing at Ravan's glories. Rama sighed and went out to
Sita's house. There she was found sleeping pressing to her breast the
hand-fan on which Ravan's picture was drawn (This is found in pages
199, 200 of the Bengali Ramayana written by Mrs. Chandravathi).
If Rama loved Sita so much and Sita is held as an ideal Hindu wife,
can Hindu women tolerate their husbands leaving them in forest for the
years? Rama left Sita in forest after se became pregnant and she
delivered er two kids in forest. (DR. B. R. Ambedkar : Riddles in
Hinduism Maharashtra Govt. Publication, 1987).
WHAT LEADERS SAY ABOUT GOD RAMA?
"My Rama (god Rama) is not the Rama of Ramayana". Mahatma Gandhi
"The Ramayana and Mahabaratha are nothing but another Arabian Nights
Story". Jawaharlal Nehru
"Rama is not a god; but he is a hero" Rajagopalachari, First Governor-
General of India and a great Brahmin leader.
"Ramayan is not a divine story; it is only a literature" (Kaliyuga
Kamban, T.K. Chidambaranatha Mudaliar). Babri Masjid was demolished by
Rama Bhatkas claiming that it was his birth place.
GOD SHIVA, LORD GANESH & GODDESS PARVATHI.
According to Hinduism, god Shiva's head is the source of the river
Ganges and his head is also the place where the moon is located (if
this was really a fact then why should America send astronaut Neil
Armstrong 240,000 miles away to the moon)
According to Puranas, goddess Parvathi, wife of God Shiva, sought
Shivas's permission to have a baby When Shiva refused, Paravathi took
dirt from her body and created Lord Ganesh. (The late E.V.R. Preiyar
used to call this god a "bundle fo dirt").
Later God Shiva mistakenly chopped off his own son's head. How could a
god make such a foolish mistake? Would such a god solve your problems
or make them more complicated?
To rectify his error God Shiva severed the head of baby elephant and
transplanted in onto his son who then become known as the Elephant
headed god. His statues are usually found near river-sides where he is
said to be looking for a bride resembling his mother! (There is a
different version to this story which, for decency's sake, cannot be
printed here).
DEVADASI (RELIGIOUS PROSTITUTION).
The Devadasi system was set up, according to a Times of India report
(10-11-87), as a result of conspiracy between the feudal class and the
priests (Brahmins). The latter, with their ideological and religious
hold over the peasants and craftsmen, devised a means that gave
prostitution their religious sanction. Poor low-caste Hindu girls,
initially sold at private auctions, were later "dedicated" to the
temples. They were then initiated in to prostitution Even to this day
this religious prostitution blessed by Hindu religion is still alive
in Karnataka and Maharashtra.
THE DEVADASI SYSTEM THRIVES
UNI. - TIMES OF INDIA - 10th Nov 1987: confirms that the practice of
dedication young Harijan (Hindu) girls (Mahars, Mangs, Dowris and
Chambhar) at childhood to a goddess, and their initiation into
prostitution when they attain puberty continues to thrive in
Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and other parts of South India. This is
largely due to social backwardness, poverty and illiteracy, according
to a study by two doctors of the India Health Organization.
The report clearly indicates that the Devadasi system was the result
of a conspiracy between the feudal class and the priests (Brahmins)
who with their ideological and religious hold over the peasants and
craftsmen, devised a practice which acquired religious sanctions. They
noted in their study on - "Devadasis" - "the link between religious
culture and child prostitution".
The study revealed that girls from poor Hindu families were sold after
puberty at private auctions to a master who initially paid a sum of
money to the families ranging from 500 to Rs. 5,000.
The study, made during health camps organized by the World Health
Organization (WHO) in the Devadasi populated areas, revealed that the
dedicated girls formed 15 percent of the total women involved in
prostitution in the country, and as much as 70 percent of the
prostitutes in the border districts of Karnataka and Maharashtra.
LORD KRISHNA
Lord krishna was very fond of looking at naked young girls. Once upon
a time Krishna, in order to get a full view of some bathing virgin
girls, went to the extent of hiding their clothes on the tree top just
to get a panoramic view. Does he have divine immunity from looking at
naked women?
The Gita, a Holy book of the Hindus, quotes that when these bathing
low caste girls begged for the return of their clothes, Lord Krishna
demanded that they come out of the water with their hands raised
instead of covering their bodies.
Oh my innocent Hindu brethren! Can this action be attributed to god?
Is this God capable of indulging in such ungodly acts? Will Hindu
mothers tolerate their son imitating god Krishna??
12 YEARS FOR RAMA, BUT ONE DAY TO RAVAN
To retrieve his wife from Devil Ravan, god Rama sought the help of
Hanuman, a monkey god. Hanuman agreed to help Rama bring his wife back
on condition that god Rama in turn help him (Hanuman) to kill his twin
brother prior to undertaking the mission.
I took more than twelve years for Hanuman to build a bridge and
accomplish the task while Ravan just took Sita and flew to Sri lanka
in just one day's time Where is the bridge that Rama built?? Who is
more powerful - God Rama or Devil Ravan ? Would a god seek the help of
another god to murder a third god?
If Hanuman could fly carrying big mountains, he should have in the
first instance carried and flown god Rama to Sri Lanka, which would
have resulted in early rescue of Sita.
Who knows what Ravan might have done to Sita during this period of
twelve years? Definitely a devil would have done only "devilish"
things!
Before helping god Rama, Hanuman made Rama shoot his own twin brother
in the back and only then did Hanuman help god Rama How can a "god"
indulge in such a criminal act for personal gain?
Posted by: khan | August 26, 2008 9:52 PM
Anonymous wrote:
"I am an Indian muslim and I am proud of it.We muslims in India
believe Kashmir is an integral part of India.Muslims fought war
against Pakistan and China."
Very interesting. However, this would have all made sense if we (upper
caste Hindu Brahmins) could really trust the patriotism of Indian
Muslims. While perhaps given the benefit of doubt I submit that many
Indian Muslims stand by the Indian flag with their head high, there is
a growing phenomenon that hardline radical Islam has also seeped into
the Muslim ummah in India.
There is this radical Muslim organization called SIMI (Student Islamic
Movement of India) who have engaged in bomb blasts and slaughters in
the recent times. The SIMI members are not economically impoverished,
poor folks as one would assume. They are educated and often come from
well to do established families. Radicalization of Indian Muslims has
certainly eroded the credibility of Indian Muslims in the recent
times. One can attribute this phenomenon to many factors - Babri
Masjid, Gujarat riots, Kashmir or whatever. The end result that we
Hindus would conclude from the facts is that, despite the comparable
economic upliftment, achieving positions of power and fame, and even
quotas/reservation for jobs, Muslims in India act treacherously. Yes,
Muslims have fought for India in Indo-China and Indo-Pak wars. But
with that attribute, one also finds the negative that Muslims in India
are engaged in acts of homegrown terror. I am linking this Times of
India article which indicates that Indian Mujahadeen and SIMI have
crafted a path of terror. The ToI article also suggests that these
terror activities can not be heaped upon "external" sources (such as
Pakistan).
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Jaipur_blasts_script_The_homegrown_face_of_terror/articleshow/3409252.cms
This is contrary to what the Indian politicians ("dhotiwallahs/
topiwallahs") may say to the public to deflect attention away from the
homegrown terror. If what the ToI is reporting is indeed true, that,
Indian Mujahadeen is born to take revenge on the majority population
and (secular) Indian Government and would attempt to convert India
into Islamic Republic of India, then such chest beating patriotism and
Hindu blame-flaming by Indian Muslims is certainly much in suspect.
The Hindus would rightly disbelieve the collective assurances from the
Muslim ummah (but may still be trusting of the individual Muslim at a
personal level).
The core issue, and it drags Kashmir into the fiasco, is that there is
not a single country on earth where such ethnic tensions are non-
existent. India is not a "jannat"; it is a country of people with
majority having a different culture/religion than a specific
minority.
The Hindu in India observes that with the claim for phony Azadi at the
flimsiest opportunity (of what is called "Kashmiriyat"), India is
seeing homegrown Islamic terrorism from Muslims who are educated and
well-established in life. The two could very well be connected.
Everything is possible after 9/11. (Little wonder that Kafeel Ahmed
died of third degree burns in England when he could not blow up the
Glasgow airport in England. Kafeel came from a family of wealthy
doctors in Bangalore, and had a PhD in Computational Fluid Dynamics
from Ireland. He was not from the economically impoverished class.)
So, by giving job/education quotas to Muslims, and Muslims achieving
upward social climbs, the fanatical and self-destructive fascination
with radical Islam by Indian Muslims is taking shape. It is plausible
to speculate that now that Indian Muslims have achieved some measure
of empowerment on all fronts, they are out to chop off the hand that
feeds them.
All this shows that Hindus may not believe a Muslim. After all, it is
the agenda of Islamization that is ultimately the main goal ("maqsad")
of a Muslim ( Indian/Paki/Bangladeshi/Egyptian/Afghani/Turk...)
whatever. Remaining politically correct with Islam and Muslims is self-
destructive and to that end, if Kashmir secedes, India must declare
itself as a Hindu state.
The situation is that if Hindus continue to be tolerant of homegrown
radical Islam, then they may not exist in the near future to further
demonstrate their tolerance, that Indian Muslims are so fond of. It is
like if one starts by being kind towards evil, then s/he ends up being
evil towards the kind.
The barbaric religion of Islam needs to be dominated before it
dominates others. Islam always had bloody borders. Kashmir is an
example that Indians have painfully realized.
RSS = Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (National Volunteer Corps) is an
organization which speaks for Hindutva and Hindus. Nothing wrong with
it.
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 26, 2008 9:40 PM
KOSHUR, calling all Indians, all 1.1 BILLION of them creeps, doesn't
do the Islam you profess any good at all. It merely adds fuel to the
fire that is raging worldwide since 9/11 that Islam is an intolerant
and violent religion that is good only for Muslims but dangerous for
non-Muslims. It is also feared that Muslims want to rule others
whenever they get the smallest chance, and they will not tolerate
being ruled by non-Muslims even if Muslims are in the minority.
India was ALWAYS a country with Hindu majority. Yet Muslims ruled for
three hundred years; India was carved up on religious grounds in 1947.
No other religious group in India has ever demanded a separate country
because of their religious persuasion, ONLY Muslims.
Think about it. If other non-Muslims can live in peace with Hindus,
why can't the Muslims? There are already 140 MILLION Indian Muslims
living among Hindus, and at peace. Why can't Kashmiri Muslims consider
themselves Indians first? When the British ruled for 200 years, there
was no Pakistan, Bangladesh, or a Kashmiri group of Muslims asking for
a separate country. The vast majority of Indians who fought for Indian
independence were Hindus. There were also Muslims, but their
contribution was diluted when they demanded separate countries based
on religion alone.
Be Indian first Koshur. Kashmiri Muslims have more to gain by being a
part of India than being independent or a part of Pakistan.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 9:37 PM
Except for Hindu extremists, Hindus are the MOST tolerant of peoples.
Whatever may be the limitations of the caste system imposed on the
Hindu society, Hindus have lived at peace with ALL religions from time
immemorial. Islam was introduced in a violent way in anotherwise non-
violent religious society built with Hindu and Buddhist and Jain
ideals.
Political Islam is a reality and Indian Muslims have been transformed
by their living in a Hindu-Buddhist society for many centuries.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 9:25 PM
Peace loving Muslims all over India need to unite and declare their
unity with Indians of all religious persuasions. Indian Muslims have
lived at peace with their non-Muslim neighbors for centuries. They are
Indians in origin and India is their home.
Islamic extremism in India is a new trend. It is being imported from
outside and it is being fueled by violence done by Hindu extremists.
Mahatma Gandhi was assassinaed, not by a Muslim but by an EXTREMIST
HINDU.
Two well known militant Hindu organizations:
Rashtriya Shiva Sena = National Shiva's Army
Hindutva
Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 9:19 PM
Hey intolerant, insane Hindu bigots,
Read this from your own paper and from your own people.
Shame on India and its 1 million creeps
HR team confirms economic blockade, repression in Valley
KT NEWS SERVICE
NEW DELHI, Aug 26: Notwithstanding, the government denial of any
"economic blockade" on Kashmir Valley, a group of human rights
organisations here on Tuesday confirmed that agitation in Jammu has
led to severe restriction on the movement of goods and people on the
Srinagar-Jammu national highway and even into Punjab.
Representatives of three groups Peoples Democratic Forum (Karnataka),
Andhra Pradesh Civil Liberties Committee (APCLC) and People's Union
for Democratic Rights (PUDR) who arrived here from Srinagar said over
75 per cent of fruits were rotting in Sopore mandi.
"During our four day visit we found fruits rotting at many places and
handicrafts and carpet manufacturers reporting cancellation of export
orders," said Harish Dhawan, secretary PUDR. The team was told that
till August 23, 80 per cent of the trucks were not leaving the Valley
for fear of attacks. "In Seer Jagir, near Sopore the team met small
farmers with average land holdings of 4-5 acres which produces on an
average 3000 boxes of apples per annum. The 30 farmers in this village
reported having lost on an average Rs. 2 lakh this season," said the
joint statement issued by these organisations.
FIRINGS: The team during its visit investigated 15 cases of deaths in
police firings. "We have concluded that the firings were aimed to kill
a large number of deaths result from injuries in the abdomen, chest,
head of upper of lower neck," bellying government claims that firings
were in self defence.
ATTACKS ON HOSPITALS: The group in its statement also disclosed that
security forces attacked the Srinagar main hospital on August 11 and
12. "The SMHS hospital received the largest number of casualties. When
doctors were trying to conduct emergency operations at break-neck sped
in order to save lines, the casualty was attacked with tear gas shells
followed by firing live bullets. The firing was again repeated on
August 12," said the statement, describing it a most brazen and
unbelievable attack.
ATTACKS ON FUNERAL PROCESSIONS: The team was told that funeral
processions were attacked by security forces. "The funeral procession
of Ishfaq Ahmed Kana was attacked by the CRPF with lathis and rubber
bullets. In another area Javed Ahmed Mir's funeral procession was
attacked and one person was killed in firing," said the civil rights
groups.
CURFEW: The team which was in Srinagar when curfew restrictions were
imposed said essential supplies to the city, such as medicines, water
tankers and milk have been blocked and this 'blockade' had been done
at the instance of the CRPF. Entire control of law and order have been
handed over to central security forces and at many polices they have
beaten local police as well.
CONCLUSION: Human rights groups concluded that inclination of people
to hold peaceful processions in a democratic way could have been an
opening for the government to engage people in a political dialogue.
"People in Kashmir have shown exemplary restraint and ensured that all
processions and public gatherings after the lifting of curfew remain
wholly peaceful," they said. They said government should have
initiated political dialogue instead of the visit by the National
Security Advisor.
Posted by: Koshur | August 26, 2008 8:09 PM
CCNL and Arif,
Do you want me talk more about your faith which is full of filth.
Sitas. Pavitrata crap must have hit you guys below your eunech
balls.You people are crazy bastards talking trash and maligning
people's mind with quoting a distorted history. Prophet has been
called lot of names by creeps like you who are worse than filthy
insects. It does not matter, Islam continues to prosper and is the
answer to crazy guys like you who need it the most. My offer still
stands, come to the circle of Islam and you will find peace.
Allaho Alkbar.
Lainatullahi- Allaqomil Kafirin.
Posted by: Joseph | August 26, 2008 7:39 PM
CCNL; You are right. Last week WaPo ran an editorial about a publisher
who dropped a plan to publish a book about prophet Mohamed and his 6
year old child bride-Aisha due to fear of Muslim violence.
In fact, prophet had 9 wives including a ex daughter in law. And
fought more than 9 wars. Fits the definition of a child rapist and a
war mongerer. Yes he made up things and said Angel appeared to him to
justify his lifestyle of lust and violence and intolerance. Example:
present day Saudi Arabia where you can be arrested for carrying a
Bible and their steady stream of terrorists including 9/11.
And speaking of India and Muslim's complaint here of intolerance and
violence: India's population is 4-5 percent Christian/Sikh. 4-5 is
Buddhists. 15 percent is Muslim/terrorist.
In fact, I read a interview of India's top actor Shah Rukh Khan, a
Muslim, who said the only reason he is a top actor in India is due to
inherent secular and tolerant nature of Hindus.
Muslims only need to read a newspaper to see how many Muslims are
massacring civilians every single day all over the world all in the
name of Islam.
Posted by: Intolerance | August 26, 2008 5:46 PM
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Muslims are encouraged to memorize things, they typically don't
exercise the thought process. A good example of the "thinking" Muslim
is the following;
Joseph aka Mohammed writes;
"3rd, Islam is not barbaric, but teaches respect for other faiths.
Quran says there might be 1,24000 prepophets that came from time to
time...."
Fristly I have to laugh then bring out the fact that Koran also
specifically teaches Muslims kill people of other faiths.
Here again classic Muslim "thinking" gone wild...
"Yes, prophet Mohammed( pbuh) did have multiple wives at a time, I
wish I had time and space to explain it to you, as that was the need
of the hour at that time as many muslim woman had lost husbands in the
wars they fought and they needed some form of protection, unlike your
faith where they are supposed to burn themselves."
Mohammed and his gangsters were the aggressors they looted then killed
off all the adult males, fornicated/raped the young women, enslaved
them and/or married them. Please take the time, and there is lots of
space to explain Mr. Joseph aka Mohammed; Why your prophet Moe was
anything other than a womanizer and a warmonger?
More scholarly "thinking"...
"Let me be crstal clear, you should be ashamed of being a Hindu. If
you have any common sense you should convert to Islam and I am giving
you an offer."
...and finally the icing...
"Mohammed was a brave man, fought wars, conquered places, and I should
say according to you a potent man..."
The genius at one point says he had to marry all those widows; think
for once and you’ll realize that he helped in making them and to tops
it off with a "potent man"?
Fastest growing religion my arse!
Arif (pbuh)
Posted by: Arif | August 26, 2008 5:26 PM
CCNL:
OBSESSIVE, COMPULSIVE PERSONALITY DISORDER. Seek help.
Posted by: Anonymous2 | August 26, 2008 4:54 PM
Islam 101-
Mohammed (Mahound in Sir Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses) was an
illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering,
hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/
plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" aka
"pretty, wingie thingies" and flying chariots to the koran but also a
militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands
of non-believers.
This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the
conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists,
the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite
suicide/roadside/market/ mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the
trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the
Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the
Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.
And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering,
Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third
Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.
Current crises:
The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11
wives), hallucinating founder
Added reading material- Ayaan Hirsi Ali's autobiography, "Infidel".
"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of
desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in
Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her
hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few
different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a
lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali
escaped -- and transformed herself into an internationally renowned
spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."
ref: Washington Post book review.
three excerpts:
p. 47 paperback issue:
"Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly beaten by
their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded
across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"
p.68:
"The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had castes. The Untouchable
girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would
not play with them because they were untouchable. We thought that was
funny because of course they were touchable: we touched them see? but
also horrifying to think of yourself as untouchable, despicable to the
human race."
p. 347
"The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood
of Kenya and Somalia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal
values. It preserves the feudal mind-set based on tribal concepts of
honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hyprocricy, and double
standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while
pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set
makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice
Islam".
Posted by: Concerned The Christian Now Liberated | August 26, 2008
3:28 PM
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I am an Indian muslim and I am proud of it.We muslims in India believe
Kashmir is an integral part of India.Muslims fought war against
Pakistan and China.
The main problem in India is 15% of upper casts Hindus who controls
90% of Indian economy is masterminding communal riots in India so that
both muslims and lower casts Hindus will fight each other and destroy
each other so that their hegemony can be maintained.
What happened in Gujarat has raised very serious questions.When you
speak to somebody and tell them that 2000 muslims where massacred on
the streets of Gujarat, and women were raped, and pregnant women had
their stomach slit open, normal people, or people who are outside the
situation, recoil in horror. But people inside the situation say
things like ;They diserved it'. and how do you deal with that?
It isnt coincidence that the massacre of muslims in Gujarat happened
after september 11. Gujarat is also one place where the toxic wastes
of World Trade Centre is being dumped right now [1]
This wastes is being dumped in Gujarat and then taken off to Ludhiana
and places like that to be recycled. It's quite a mataphor. The
DEMONISATION of mulims has also given legitimacy by the worlds super
power, by the emperor himself. We are at a stage where democracy-this
corruptes scandalous version of democracy-is the problem. So much of
what politicians do is with an eye on elections. Wars are fought as
election campaigns.n India, muslims are killed as part of election
campigns. In 1984, after the massacre of Sikhs in Delhi, the Congress
party won hands down. We must ask ourselves very serious questions
about this particular brand of democracy
1.'Chinese steel firm buys 50000 Tonnes of WTC scrap, Agence France-
Press 23 Jan 2002.See WTC scrap at Gujarat Port awaits Toxicity tests,
Indian express 17 April 2002.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 2:44 PM
Deb Chatterji:
Did you see the following headlines right on the page in WP where you
click to get Religion segment?
Here it is:
Suspected Hindu hard-liners set fire to orphanage
Isn't this a brazen act of terrorism? Killing innocent children?
Posted by: Anonymous2 | August 26, 2008 12:02 PM
Hey deb,
I can understand your frustration as you have lost your point and did
not muster any supporters. Donot be a coward and write your blog under
different names. My teacher used to say when you lose a point you
resort to personal attacks, that what precisely you are doing.Let me
also get dirty the way you have been.
First do you know how we took care of your hindu Pundits in Kashmir
for 100s of years inspite of being 1% of the population. They got all
the benefits from India and were subjugating Kashmiri Muslims since
ages. Do you know that we Kashmiri muslims donot like eating beef,
which was as a mark of respect for our fellow pundits.
2nd, we took care of all the shrines in Kashmir during these years of
turmoil and also cremated some of the Kashmiri pundits who passed away
of natural causes while they opted to stay in Kashmir and that too did
it according to hindu rights. You will still call us communal
terrorist.
3rd, Islam is not barbaric, but teaches respect for other faiths.
Quran says there might be 1,24000 prepophets that came from time to
time. Do you know some of us believe that Ram or Krishan could have
been some of them. This is what my father taught me who had more
pundit friends than anybody else in my family. I always argued with
him about the role of pundits in Kashmir. I faced it first hand, how
these people used to stab us in our backs. But my father would not
agree as Ram Joo was like his brother.
Yes, prophet Mohammed( pbuh) did have multiple wives at a time, I wish
I had time and space to explain it to you, as that was the need of the
hour at that time as many muslim woman had lost husbands in the wars
they fought and they needed some form of protection, unlike your faith
where they are supposed to burn themselves.
Let me be crstal clear, you should be ashamed of being a Hindu. If you
have any common sense you should convert to Islam and I am giving you
an offer.
Mohammed was a brave man, fought wars, conquered places, and I should
say according to you a potent man. He did not take"Ban bass" like Ram
did and spend 14 years of life in Jungle wailing and crying instead of
rescuing his beloved wife. In fact it was a mythical "Wander Sena"
comprising of monkeys who finally rescued her from Rawan. You guys
still call her Pavitra, come on give me a break. So according to your
fake, mythical religeon and be honest what would have Rawan done for
14 years, just swat flies. Let us not go into gory details.
Geeta was written by a man. It is not a spiritual book like Tora,
bible and above all the last testament called as Quran.
What is Hinduism? A fake religeon that is a simple myth, based on some
short stories called 'Kathas' and not a way of life.
Bengali baboa, how many are converting to hinduism...... zippo. People
in US laugh when they see snakes, rats, monkeys and bare naked ladies
being worshiped. It is a joke in deed.
Islam is the fastest growing religeon on globe and it is not that
people are converting by the force of sword, but by conviction and the
powerful message it has. Let me give you a piece of information. There
is no minute in 24 hoours, 7 days and 356 days a year that AZAAN ie.
call for prayers ) in not resonating from East to West and North to
the South of this globe because of the time difference. This is the
power of Islam. A closed mind person like you will not understand it.
The powerful message is to do Jihad, the literal meaning of which has
been distorted by sick people like you. Jihad is to fight for your
rights. This is precisely what is happening in Kashmir, Palestine,
Chechneya that people are fighting for illegitimate occupation of
their motherland. They have balls to fight for their rights rather
than put their tails in the hines and take Ban Bass like Ram did and
worship his Chappals for 14 years like the hindus of that time did.
If Hindus have any iota of intelligence they should have a second look
at their religeon and feel how baseless it is!
Once again you started this crap and I urge you to desist from doing
that again.
Posted by: Joseph | August 26, 2008 11:47 AM
Hey deb,
I can understand your frustration as you have lost your point and did
not muster any supporters. Donot be a coward and write your blog under
different names. My teacher used to say when you lose a point you
resort to personal attacks, that what precisely you are doing.Let me
also get dirty the way you have been.
First do you know how we took care of your hindu Pundits in Kashmir
for 100s of years inspite of being 1% of the population. They got all
the benefits from India and were subjugating Kashmiri Muslims since
ages. Do you know that we Kashmiri muslims donot like eating beef,
which was as a mark of respect for our fellow pundits.
2nd, we took care of all the shrines in Kashmir during these years of
turmoil and also cremated some of the Kashmiri pundits who passed away
of natural causes while they opted to stay in Kashmir and that too did
it according to hindu rights. You will still call us communal
terrorist.
3rd, Islam is not barbaric, but teaches respect for other faiths.
Quran says there might be 1,24000 prepophets that came from time to
time. Do you know some of us believe that Ram or Krishan could have
been some of them. This is what my father taught me who had more
pundit friends than anybody else in my family. I always argued with
him about the role of pundits in Kashmir. I faced it first hand, how
these people used to stab us in our backs. But my father would not
agree as Ram Joo was like his brother.
Yes, prophet Mohammed( pbuh) did have multiple wives at a time, I wish
I had time and space to explain it to you, as that was the need of the
hour at that time as many muslim woman had lost husbands in the wars
they fought and they needed some form of protection, unlike your faith
where they are supposed to burn themselves.
Let me be crstal clear, you should be ashamed of being a Hindu. If you
have any common sense you should convert to Islam and I am giving you
an offer.
Mohammed was a brave man, fought wars, conquered places, and I should
say according to you a potent man. He did not take"Ban bass" like Ram
did and spend 14 years of life in Jungle wailing and crying instead of
rescuing his beloved wife. In fact it was a mythical "Wander Sena"
comprising of monkeys who finally rescued her from Rawan. You guys
still call her Pavitra, come on give me a break. So according to your
fake, mythical religeon and be honest what would have Rawan done for
14 years, just swat flies. Let us not go into gory details.
Geeta was written by a man. It is not a spiritual book like Tora,
bible and above all the last testament called as Quran.
What is Hinduism? A fake religeon that is a simple myth, based on some
short stories called 'Kathas' and not a way of life.
Bengali baboa, how many are converting to hinduism...... zippo. People
in US laugh when they see snakes, rats, monkeys and bare naked ladies
being worshiped. It is a joke in deed.
Islam is the fastest growing religeon on globe and it is not that
people are converting by the force of sword, but by conviction and the
powerful message it has. Let me give you a piece of information. There
is no minute in 24 hoours, 7 days and 356 days a yera that AZAAN9ie.
call for prayers ) in not resonating from East to Weat and North to
the South of this globe because of the time difference. This is the
power of Islam. A closed mind person like you will not understand it.
The powerful message is to do Jihad, the literal meaning of which has
been distorted by sick people like you. Jihad is to fight for your
rights. This is precisely what is happening in Kashmir, Palestine,
Chechneya that people are fighting for illegitimate occupation of
their motherland. They have balls to fight for their rights rather
than put their tails in the hines and take Ban Bass.
If Hindus have any iota of intelligence they should have a second look
at their religeon and feel how baseless it is!
Once again you started this crap and I urge you to desist from doing
that again.
Posted by: Joseph | August 26, 2008 11:43 AM
I get sick to the stomach to read such comments about one of the great
monothiestic religeon called Islam. This discussion has turned from a
political one to a brazenly open communal one. This I am sure was not
the aim of the author and we hijacked it in an entirely different
direction. Come on guys, let us behave civil and not try to slander
each others ethnicity and religeon. I hope good sense prevails on all
of you.
Posted by: Koshur | August 26, 2008 11:00 AM
Deb Chatterji:
You wrote that all Muslims are not terrorists but most terrorists are
Muslims. Then how do you explain that the late Rajiva Gandhi was
killed by a Hindu suicide bomber? And how do you explain the numerous
suicide bombings committed by Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka? And how do
you explain state sponsored terrorism by the Indian Army in Kashmir
which has killed more than 100,000 Muslims in Kashmir? And how do you
explain the state sponsored genocide of Muslim in Gujarat in 2002.
The only proven incident of bioterrorism the United States has ever
experienced, we learned, was a bizarre plot by the Rajneeshee Hindus,
to steal a county election in Oregon in 1984. The Rajneeshees,
followers of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, a self-proclaimed guru exiled
from India, had moved into a ranch in rural Wasco County, taken
political control of the small nearby town of Antelope, and changed
its name to Rajneesh. Next, the Hindus sought to run the whole county
by winning the local election in 1984.
The amazing story of the Wasco County election scandal was revealed to
the conference's riveted participants by Leslie L. Zaitz, an
investigative reporter for The Oregonian, and Dr. John Livengood, an
epidemiologist at the Centers for Disease Control. To win the county
election, the Rajneeshee Hindus planned to sicken a good portion of
the population in the town of The Dalles, where most Wasco County
voters live. Their weapon of choice to keep local residents from
voting was salmonella bacteria.
These Rajneeshi Hindus decided to test the use of salmonella and, if
successful, to contaminate the entire water system of The Dalles on
Election Day. First, the Rajneeshees poisoned two visiting Wasco
County commissioners on a hot day by plying them with refreshing
drinks of cold water laced with salmonella.
Then, on a shopping trip to The Dalles, these Hindus sprinkled
salmonella on produce in grocery stores "just for fun." According to
reporter Zaitz, that experiment didn't get the results they wanted so
the Rajneeshees proceeded to clandestinely sprinkle salmonella at the
town's restaurant salad bars. Ten restaurants were hit and more than
700 people got sick.
Posted by: Anonymous2 | August 26, 2008 10:20 AM
Two of the most dangerous and volatile spots confronting the world
today can be tracked down to a single cause. Indo- Pakistan and the
Middle Eastern conflicts originating from the decision taken in 1947
by the Labour prime minister Clement Attlee's post war government of
Britain. He followed an easy solution to the crisis, "partition and
run", and effects of the British government's decision to leave the
mess to the locals' policy still plagues the two countries. Evidence
has emerged and was corroborated by a retired Lieutenant-Colonel, R G
Begbie, that 24 hours before the partition of India-Pakistan the
boundary was shifted 20 miles westward by Labour’s viceroy, "special
plenipotentiary" Lord Mountbatten, to give India a common frontier
with Kashmir, over which Indian troops marched the following day. Sir
Cyril Radcliffe, the judge who was responsible for drawing the
boundary lines, was pressured by the viceroy to alter the frontier in
India's favour in various vital [parts] of the Punjab.
Lord Mountbatten was treacherous and partial towards India, and one of
the reasons given was his close friendship with the Nehru family. He
did not care how much of the innocent Kashmiris' blood would be
splattered around their beautiful valley by the Indian occupying
army's brutalities and inhuman atrocities.
In terms of its beauty, the Mughal emperor Jehangir immortalized
Kashmir by saying, "If there is paradise on Earth, Hama ast Hama ast;
it is here, it is here."
In the Middle East, the Attlee government's eagerness to demobilize as
many soldiers as quickly as possible and flee problems that have
lasted until now. Creating a Jewish state in the Arab lands to
compensate for the European Christians' lament and guilt [over the]
Jewish Holocaust was a profound, unjust tragedy of world history. That
Arabs lived in their homeland for thousands of years and then [were]
forcefully expelled from their homes and land by the Israelis was the
ugliest stain on the human conscience. In May 1948, the British
hurriedly withdrew all their armies from the area and gave free hand
to the Zionist state to grab its neighbours' lands.
Since 1989 over 150,000 Kashmiri Muslims have been either killed,
maimed, or disappeared without a trace, and tales of horrendous
torture and rape of young girls and women are heard in almost every
Muslim household. Indian Army kills Kashmiri Muslims with ruthless
barbarity as Jews were killed by the Nazis. Muslims are put under
running steam engines and crushed to pulp; they are beaten to death
and tortured with such severity that thousands have died of renal
failures. They held in army interrogation centres called Papa 1 and
Papa 2 and inflicted worst torture than the Nazi inflicted in the
concentration camps. This is happening even now. I wish to remind Eboo
Patel of the genocide of over 2,500 Muslims spanning three months in
the western state of Gujarat by the right-wing Hindu nationalists
groups, a barbarity resembling that in Rwanda and of the Nazis against
the Jews. Pregnant women were ripped open and burnt, women and girls
gang-raped before being hacked to death with swords, and little
children butchered. Ethnic cleansing and communal violence is sparked
by the so-called "saffron mob" to intimidate minorities. Indians claim
to be secular and proud of it, which is unbelievable and preposterous
under these circumstances.
India and Pakistan have already fought three inconclusive wars over
Kashmir, and a fourth was narrowly averted recently. There can be
properly negotiated solutions to the question of Kashmir only if the
Muslims are free to choose their future. In the long term, only a
plebiscite among Kashmiris on both sides of the border, as ordered by
a United Nations Security Council resolution of 1948, can hope to
resolve the issue. Today to be a Muslim in Kashmir and in other parts
of India makes them feel like a Jew in the late '30s in Germany; their
status is no better that those of untouchables.
In India, "If you are not a Hindu, you are not an Indian" according to
fanatic Hindu Jenta.
Posted by: Saqib khan | August 26, 2008 8:05 AM
Wow. A graduate of Georgetown!! Says this is not religious! If kashmir
wer majority Hindus, according to writer's theory, they would still
want a separate state and many would also want to merge with
Porkistan? Some intelligence there.
Fact is the intolerance and violence prevalent in Islam.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 6:51 AM
Dear Hafsa,
In your article you have mentioned that the State Government had
alloted 100 acres of land from Pahalgam & Sonmarg to SASB but it is to
correct you that it was not 100 acres but 800 acres of land from our
motherland "Kashmir". Many people have lost their lives in this matter
Muslim drivers have been killed on the National Highway by petrol
bombs and this has been denied by the Central Govt. Moreover Kashmir
is facing an economic blockade which is again being denied by the
State & Govt of India. We are suffering a lot but there are questions
I want to ask the people of India espcially Govt of India:
Q1: Why are innocent people (Kashmiris) being killed, harrased &
tortured by armed forces?
Q2: We have been serving yatries since more than 100 years then why is
there a need for land transfer?
Q3: The ecology of Pahalgam & Sonmarg is disturbed during Amarnath
Yatra what measures have been taken by the State & Govt. of India for
that?
Q4: Why is this matter being communalized by the Communal forces of
India?
Q5: When are our sufferings going to end & what measures have been
taken by the Authorities for the matter?
Q6: Why only members of SASB are involved in meetings with the
officials why not Kasmiris?
Q7: What was Govt of India doing till the matter worsened?
Q8: When the yatra was for 15 days, then why it has been extetended
for 3 months & the number of yatries has crossed 5 lakhs this year.
What measures have been taken for ecology of the areas involved as the
division bench of J & K High Court have restricted the entries of
yatries beyound 3,000 at a point?
Posted by: Seerat Farooqi | August 26, 2008 3:57 AM
Deb Chatterjee:
The rising trend of Islamic extremism in India with a population of
140 million Muslims is a serious concern. The solution has to be
sought in reform of Islam in India and interfaith dialogue between
Hindus and Muslims.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 1:25 AM
Deb Chaterjee:
The point of converting to a religion other than Hinduism is to escape
the caste system altogether.
No matter how rich or educated a low caste Hindu may be, he still
remains low caste as far as the religion is concerned.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 1:23 AM
Deb Chatterjee:
Agreed there is a reservation of seats at educational institutions and
for jobs for the lower caste Hindus. It is a marvelous achievement.
The discussion was however the freedom to convert to another religion
from Hinduism. The ban on conversion from Hinduism to another religion
seems no different from the Sharia Law apostacy, although conversion
is not punished by death.
Freedom to change religions is fundamental. Hinduism should not deny
it to Hindus.
Hinduism simply means the religions practiced by people living in a
geographical area that is known as India.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 1:20 AM
Anonymous wrote:
"It is pretty atrocious for high caste Hindus, who enjoy all the
benefits of the Hindu caste system to forbid low caste Hindus from
converting to another religion which would free them from the burden
of the caste system. Christian missionaries find themselves fighting a
running battle with high caste Hindus when they help low caste/
outcaste Hindus."
This is pure baloney. Quota for SC/ST has increased to such an extent
that the caste Hindus are left out of all opportunity. How long can
the bull about caste keep economically deprived people paralyzed ? The
SC/ST quota is purely based on casteist perversions. High caste Hindus
have a right to be concerned that they will eventually lose out to the
SC/ST quota holders. It is indeed happening. However now the Govt. has
also extended the laws to private firms & BPOs who have soundly
rejected the strictures, stating that they would move operations
elsewhere.
India was always a Hindu/Buddhist ruled country and it is speculated
by Holger Kersten in his sensational JESUS LIVED IN INDIA, that indeed
Christ came to India and settled in Kashmir and learnt a lot about
Buddhist and Hindu philosophies.
However, my point with India becoming a Hindu state was primarily
aimed at Islamic (mis)rule for 1000+ years. Becoming a Hindu state
would eliminate the invoking of Shariah laws that Muslims follow. Also
if India became Hindu, I just think that something with minorities
like Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, Christians, Aga Khan Ismailis, Bahais
have to be considered.
Finally, I have a question for you: how do you define a Hindu religion
in the sense you can define an Abrahamic religion (Judaism,
Christianity and Islam) ?
I'll leave the remainder of the debate of Kashmir secession to other
bloggers, having made my (atrocious) point.
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 26, 2008 12:34 AM
The demand of high caste Hindus (Hindu extremists tend to belong to
high castes) that low caste Hindus should not convert to any other
religion that would free them from the burden of the caste system, is
a form of social oppression that Hinduism with its caste system
introduced into the Hindu Indian society at least four thousand years
ago.
It was precisely one of the reasons, Buddha, Mahavira and Guru Nanak,
all non-Brahmins of Hindu origin founded other religions.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 12:20 AM
Deb Chatterjee:
When was India ever a Hindu state? Buddhism and Jainism are two and a
half THOUSAND years old and India has been home to Christianity for
two thousand years, among other religions.
The Hindu-only India is the myth created by Hindu extremists. Hinduism
is a con-federation of religions. It has never been a single religious
philosophy.
The United Nations Declaration of Universal Human Rights guarantees
religious freedom, which includes freedom to change religions. How
could Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism have come into existence if it was
forbidden to leave Hinduism. It is pretty atrocious for high caste
Hindus, who enjoy all the benefits of the Hindu caste system to forbid
low caste Hindus from converting to another religion which would free
them from the burden of the caste system. Christian missionaries find
themselves fighting a running battle with high caste Hindus when they
help low caste/outcaste Hindus.
What is more basic than the right to worship God in anyway one
chooses? Hindus worship God under so many different names, why should
it matter to them if God is worshipped under a different name under a
different religion?
Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 12:14 AM
Again, the Solution to the Muslim-Hindu Conflict-
Post the following on every mosque and temple wall:
Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven,
warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/
hallucinating/ plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added
"angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic
agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-
believers.
This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the
conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists,
the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite
suicide/roadside/market/ mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the
trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the
Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the
Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.
And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering,
Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third
Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.
Current crises:
The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11
wives), hallucinating founder.
Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) -
"Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not
founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one
can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the
question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them
work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."
The caste/laborer system and cow worship/reverence are problems when
saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."
Current crises:
The caste system and cow worship/reverence.
Posted by: Concerned The Christian Now Liberated | August 26, 2008
12:10 AM
Anonymous:
These are some quips from my side to your loud thoughts:
1. India should become a Hindu state so that it can rid itself of
Islamic radicalism. (SIMI activists want India to become and Islamic
state. They want "Islamization" and are using the bounties of
secularism to further their agenda. This can be stopped if this pseudo-
secularism is stopped. Just look at Kashmir.)
2. VHP has an axe to grind. Christian missionaries had been
proselytizing the poor. That is, the poor were lured with money and
they converted to Christianity. But, then their status did not improve
socially. What happened in the meantime was that suddenly the numbers
of Christians increased in India. I do not support the notion that
conversion, by luring poor people with money, is a good thing to do.
That's a falsehood. It is false to claim that these poor people have
suddenly been spiritually enlightened because they received some
dollars/pounds. That the GOI should stop. VHP claims this against
Christian missionaries. Just because India is secular, any form of
malpractice cannot happen. That's the point.
3. You have been castigating Hindus, like me. However I encourage you
to assess what's the situation of Christians in Muslim countries. How
many prominent leaders in Pakistan are Christians ?
4. It is indeed true that the best universities and schools are run by
Jesuits and Salesians. (I went to a high school run by Salesians in
Kolkata - Don Bosco. It was an excellent school.) That does not mean
conversion to Christianity by money is right.
5. VHP has the full right to condemn and agitate against such
activities. They represent majority of Indians: Hindus. It is
unfortunate that you have no sense of reciprocity. In USA we often see
and hear Christian tele-evangelsists getting extremely vocal and
aggressive about promoting Christian values. I don't see it as wrong.
As long as they don't personally offend me, I am fine. If they can
project their values, claiming to represent the majority - Christians,
what is wrong with VHP doing the same in India ? OR are you implying
that what is good for White Christians is not good for brown skinned
darkies (aka Hindus) ? What is your point in griping against VHP ?
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 25, 2008 11:56 PM
Actually my best (optimistic) view is the following:
1. Kashmir goes out of India, and India declares itself as a Hindu
nation. This would rid India of the pestilence of Islamic terrorism.
2. Pakistan disintegrates into smithreens. It should be that way,
because it is a failed state. Just read the DAWN newspaper. There is
always a barrage of sick reports on killings, whippings and beheadings
of people who don't support Islamic fundamentalism. The madrassas with
their mad mullahs are breeding bomb-throwing radicals like rats.
(Already Nawaz Sharif and Asif Ali Zardari are at each other's
throats. So, what's new ?)
3. NATO captures the control Pakistan, and continues to patrol the
streets of Lahore, Karachi, Islamabad, Multan and Quetta till all
madrassas are torn down and all mullahs have their beards plucked off
by monkeys. Their faces swell heavily due to mishandling by primates,
and the pain inflicted upon these mullahs by the animals (monkeys)
temporarily disable them to chant the Quran.
4. Women start going to school to get a decent western education. We
see a slow gradual rejection of the burqa and also radical Islam, due
to prolonged presence of western personnel.
5. Kashmir, once independent, realizes that it is not economicaly a
viable commodity - no jobs, no industries, only mosques and mosques,
cannot afford to self-sustain. It begs India to accept it on any terms
and signs an agreement of accession by India. Raja Hari Singh has the
last laugh from his grave.
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 25, 2008 11:37 PM
Religious extremists of any stripe, whether Hindu or Muslim seem to be
marked by a common feature - hatred for those who are not like them.
How pathetic.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:33 PM
Most of the best known schools, private colleges and hospitals in
India are run by Catholics (especially Jesuits and Selasians). None of
them have been accused of force converting anyone or offering any
religious education to non-Catholics.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:31 PM
Hindu militants have been known to attack not just Muslims but also
Christian missionaries in North India. Fortunately militant Hindus are
a very small group.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:27 PM
If India is to be declared a Hindu country, what about non-Hindus like
Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Christians etc including the non-caste
tribals?
The "usual" suspects, Christian missionaries??????? There are well
known Hindu militant organizations that use violence in the name of
Hinduism.
If there is one thing Mother Theresa did NOT do is convert anyone her
missionary order offered help to Catholic charities do not force
convert anyone.
What by the way is a Hindu who wants to declare India as a Hindu state
because 85% of its population is Hindu, doing in the United States, a
country with a Christian majority?
Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:24 PM
Ajit wrote:
"The VHP-sponsored bandh, to protest the killing of their leader Swami
Laxmanananda Saraswati and four disciples, witnessed attacks on
churches and missionary schools across the state, reminiscent of the
Graham Staines case in January 1999.In state capital Bhubaneswar,
protesters stoned a church; churches in Kandhamal, Bargarh, Koraput
Deogarh districts were also attacked."
Well, while unfortunate VHP has an axe to grind. You state that their
leader/guru, Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati, was killed. The "usual"
suspects were the Christian missionaries. And that is unfortunate.
However, Mother Theresa used to convert first and then accept
destitutes in her missionary in Kolkata. While the deed is noble,
conversion first followed by service is not morally uplifting.
Also: do you know the status of the Christian minorities in Saudi
Arabia, Pakistan etc. ? Do you know what rights they have vis-a-vis
those in India ?
Unfortunate incidents do happen. My position is that if someone is so
damned critical of a country, then please leave and go elsewhere. In
India the majority rarely has a voice: witness the bomb blasts that
are told to be expression of frustration of Islam. When Islam gets
frustrated, it encourages its followers to blast bombs. Still, the
last President of India was a Muslim: Abul Pakir Jainal Abedin Abdul
Kalam.
And, I agree that all Muslims are NOT terrorists. But MOST terrorists
are Muslims.
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 25, 2008 10:52 PM
Joseph (a probable phony name) wrote:
"Kashmiri Pundits have always been labelled as Ciccis and instead of
helping their Muslim brotheren at the time of need they fled away like
cowards."
Name calling at Hindus (in this "Ciccis" for Kashmiri Pandits) is
racist epithet. Kashmiri Muslims have been using that epithet against
Hindus in Kashmir and irritating/provoking them into a confrontational
situation. That's one of the reasons why the Pandits left. Its a well
crafted ploy to slaughter Kashmiri Hindu Pandits.
The religion of Islam is purely barbaric: it calls for slaughter of
all non-Muslims. Quran [009:005],[047:004] is explicit about that.
Kashmiri Pandits fled because their neighbors, Kashmiri Muslims, were
also killing the Kashmiri Pandit men and raping their women. This was
done at the behest of their bodymasters in Pakistan.
Truth hurts. Islam is afraid of the truth. India should declare itself
as a Hindu state, and all other non-Muslim countries must consider
revising its immigration policies to prevent Muslims from immigrating
and spreading Islam there.
I did not see the article by A. G. Noorani in Kashmir Times
http://www.kashmirtimes.com after I read your response. Perhaps you
are fabricating facts to confuse others ?
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 25, 2008 10:32 PM
Deb Chatterji and Anonymous:
You make sweepy generalizations. Not all Hindus are bad people nor are
all Muslims. I have great admiration for India's democracy. But there
are elements in India like BJP or Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu
Congress) or VHP that create and threaten India's democracy. Here is
an item from Hindustan Times of Aug. 26:
A 45-year-old woman, employed as a cook in a missionary school in
Orissa’s Bargarh district, was burnt to death on Monday when the
school was set on fire allegedly by Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP)
protesters. The pastor running the school was also injured.
The VHP-sponsored bandh, to protest the killing of their leader Swami
Laxmanananda Saraswati and four disciples, witnessed attacks on
churches and missionary schools across the state, reminiscent of the
Graham Staines case in January 1999.In state capital Bhubaneswar,
protesters stoned a church; churches in Kandhamal, Bargarh, Koraput
Deogarh districts were also attacked.
"We are afraid to move out. Some Christians staying in institutions or
bungalows are hiding in jungles or villages," said Bishop of Sambalpur
Lucas Kerketta, whose jurisdiction includes Bargarh. "We have two to
three policemen, and they can’t control a big crowd… we have asked for
more security."
In state capital Bhubaneswar, protesters stoned a church; churches in
Kandhamal, Bargarh, Koraput Deogarh districts were also attacked.
Said Balasore Bishop Reverend Thomas Thiruthalil, chairman of Orissa
Bishop’s Council: "These are planned attacks on minorities. We need
police protection; minorities should be able to move freely and their
rights to worship must be protected."
Kandhamal remained tense as the Swami was cremated at his Ashram.
http://hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print.aspx?Id=1a09c30e-5cff-4803-80e9-b00dc7eb3620
Posted by: Ajit | August 25, 2008 10:29 PM
Since Islam is a political religion, it is impossible for Muslims in
Kashmir to keep politics out. They fool only the naive that the
problems in Kashmir and their demand for a separate country does not
have anything to do with political Islam.
If India was so terrible to Muslims under its rule, why does 140
million Muslims living in India not choose to flee the country? Why
have there been Muslim politicians, including in the highest offices?
Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 10:21 PM
Muslims ruled a large part of Hindu majority India for three hundred
years before the British came. It was considered normal for a Muslim
minority to rule the Hindu majority. So at the time of Indian
independence when some Muslims feared Hindu majority could rule a
Muslim minority, they wanted a separate country.
So India was carved up into Pakistan and current Bangladesh on
religious grounds alone.
Millions were displaced and millions lost their lives.
Nearly 140 million Muslims still live among Hindus in India. Except
for a few clashes in certain parts, the vast majority of Muslims live
at peace with majority Hindus.
In Kashmir, again it is religion that is behind the drive for a
separate country. Moral of the story: Muslims consider it perfectly
natural to rule others even if Muslims are the minority but they will
not tolerate non-Muslim rule.
It is a historical trend that needs noting and learning from.
Again: India was carved up into Pakistan and Bangladesh on religious
grounds. Kashmir is again asking for separation on religious grounds
although 140 million Muslims live in India.
Kashmiri Muslims, Muslims currently the part of Pakistan and
Bangladesh lived as part of India during Muslim rule and during
British rule.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 10:11 PM
It is really sad to know about the present turmoil in Kashmir. People
are suffering as Hindu Extremists in Jammu have enforced economical
blockade of kashmir valley. Ms Hafsa has done a comendable job. People
are entitled to what they write in response to this article but I am
seeing people are writing things which are not even related to this
article and present situation in kashmir.Also some people have started
attacking the religion of this writer which is too low on their
part.People should understand that they live in this great country and
should not behave like those living in third world countries like
India. This speaks of ignorance on part of these people. I think it is
easy for us to comment while having a luxury of safety and freedom of
speech, we should at the same time think of the people who are being
killed for protesting against economical blockade, against the
scarcity of food and medicines. Just today I learnt that even doctors
in hospitals and ambulances are not allowed to reach the injured. This
is the worst form of a state sponsored terrorism against innocent
kashmiris. How can a democratic country like India do it in Kashmir.
On one hand Protestors in Jammu are offered cold drinks and food for
burning Kashmiri muslims with petrol bombs, while the peaceful
protestors even with harming any body are showered with bullets.
I hope that the world understand the plight of these poor kashmiris.
India should respect the genuine wishes of these people. I agree with
koshur people are talking about ethnic cleansing on death of 200 and
some kashmiri pandits but wholeworld is mute on killin of almost
hundred thousand kashmiri muslims.Writers like Ms Hafsa should be
encouraged as they give us a chance to induldge in a dialogue. I hope
people
Posted by: Chris | August 25, 2008 9:49 PM
Bengali Baboa,
You are a coward hindu maniac hiding somewhere in the comforts of this
great country called US. This forum is not to malign a particular
religeon. None of bloggers has stooped so low as you have done. You
must be a cheap uneducated Harijan from West Bengal,or definitely a
Kashmiri Pundit the way you spit crap from your mouth. Kashmiri
Pundits have always been labelled as Ciccis and instead of helping
their Muslim brotheren at the time of need they fled away like
cowards. The manaic named Jagmohan who had planned the massacre of
muslims in Kashmir (and he did a great deal of it) made these cowards
to go to a safe place called India. Thank God they have been
dessipated in the dirt of India and there is no term what used to be
called a kashmiri Batta, and above all what Shah Hamdan could not do
during his lifetime was done by Jaggu dada of Delhi in day. These
creeps had exploited Kashmiri muslims to such an extent, that
something supernatural had to happen and the result is they instead
lost everything.
I would urge Washington Post not allow such maniacs to write and
denegrade the personal religeon of some of the bloggers. I would ask
this sick mind to read todays article by A G Noorani in Kashmir Times
from Jammu and edited by a Hindu. He may get some lessons from it.
Heal thy mind Bengali Babu and take this prejudice out of your mind. I
would also urge other bloggers not to respond to these people with
sick mind
Posted by: Joseph | August 25, 2008 9:15 PM
Kashur wrote (in ressponse to Dolivaw):
"Kashmiri Pandits left kashmir not because of kashmiri muslim or there
was any kind of threat to them,They did so under the infuence of then
Governer of J & K who misled them."
That's unsubstantiated garbage. To be precise, read an excellent
article in The National Geographic (September 1997, pp. 100-123) which
had a special issue on Kashmir and interviewed Kashmiri Pandits who
were living as refugees in the trans-Jamuna extension in New Delhi.
The gruesome details of slaughter of Kashmiri Pandits appeared in a
major international magazine (known for its objectivity and fact
finding missions) are documented. The radical Islam that defines this
garbage of Azad and Azad Kashmir implies "Nizam-i-Mustafa" which means
implementation of Shariah laws. This is confirmed by interviews with
several ordinary Kashmiri Muslims who have stated that they want to
secede from India and merge with Pakistan. The interesting thing is
that thge same rascals who want to secede said that they still want to
enjoy the benefits of India - like quota for jobs but want ti live in
an Islamic state of Kashmir that has merged with Pakistan (Azad
Kashmir). Also in the same article is the interview of fundamnentalist
rabid Muslim woman Ayesha Andrabi who is heading the "Dukhtarani
Millat". This crazy woman is justifying the slaughter of the Kashmiri
Hindu Pandits on one hand, and then being sympathetic to the hapless
Islamic pogrom on the Kashmiri Pandits. When I read this article my
heart swelled with anger and frustration, and the only I way I see to
rid India of this pestilence called Islam is to declare India as a
Hindu state and rewrite its Constitution accordingly. Otherwise we
shall certainly see another series of mini-partitions if Kashmir goes
away under the spell of this Wahabi fundamentalism preached by Geelani
and his perverted ilk.
Posted by: Deb Chatterjee | August 25, 2008 7:28 PM
Dolivaw
Kashmiri Pandits left kashmir not because of kashmiri muslim or there
was any kind of threat to them,They did so under the infuence of then
Governer of J & K who misled them.In kashmir we are still living
together with Sikhs nobody told them to leave.You are talking about
Democracy and the meaning of Indian democracy is alltogether different
in Kashmir,just go online and see what they are doing in kashmir
today,They are opening fire on peaceful demostrations ,ambulances
carrying the injured people are not allowed to reach
hospital ,Journalists are being attacked.People of kashmir are not
interested in your elections,they just want to get rid of Indian
Occupation ,for last 62 years india has failed to get AZADI(Right to
self Determination) out of the kashmir MINDS,Even by using brutal
forces and you know the ratio of Army VS Civil people in kashmir
is,for 3 kashmiri their is One army men to control.Right now its
peoples movement and you cannot suppress it by any force in the
world .Let me tell honestly people of kashmir is not against Yatra or
Yatri ,even if kashmiri pandits wana come back we will be more than
happy to welcome them ,but kashmiri will not compromise on their RIGHT
FOR SELF DETERMINATION.
Posted by: Kashur | August 25, 2008 6:55 PM
Kashmiriyat truly buried.. please read Geelani's interview to Rediff.
Visions of another Wahhabi funded Islamic paradise.
Posted by: dolivaw | August 25, 2008 6:27 PM
wonderful article. Ms Hafsa we appreciate you writing this article.
Being a kashmiri I can understand the pain you must have undergone
while being in kashmir. I go through this trauma each and everytime.
So does every muslim of kashmir living here in this unfortunate piece
of land. For Dolivaw and other pandit brothers. It is unfortunate you
are giving a name of ethnic cleansing and pandit holocaust to the
death of 256 pandits in this whole turmoil. You should be ashamed
because you dont utter a word for 150,000 kashmir muslims who were
butchered by you so called security forces. Our whole generation was
killed and you dont utter a word for that. You were not evicted out of
kashmir but you opted for it and the then governer Jagmohan helped you
getting out of kashmir. When our kids were disappearing in custodies
Indian government was offering your kids admissions in prestigious
universities. Only thing you lost was your identity. Even the
government employees we getting doublly paid.They were drawing money
both from kashmir and jammu. I dont understand what did pandits loose
in this whole turmoil. I really fail to understand.
Posted by: Kashur Boy | August 25, 2008 6:25 PM
Kashur:
If only the Kashmiris had shown the same hospitality to its own
Pandits when they were being ethnically cleansed in the late eighties
and early nineties and they were not guests, they were living in their
own houses for most. And as to not a single Yatri being not harmed, it
wasnt for the lack of trying though. In July the Indian Authorities
found 1.5 Kg of RDX on the road leading to the Shrine and used by the
Pilgrims. It is not a so called largest democracy, it is the largest
democracy where nearly 450 million or thereabouts people are entitled
to vote in free and fair central, state and local elections. We did
hold a free and fair election in J&K when the BJP led NDA was in power
at the centre and guess what the Congress and PDP was voted in and the
power was transferred peacefully. If the demographics of the state of
J&K had truly changed, the state election would have decidedly been
different i can assure you and we would have had a BJP MLA from the
valley by now. Unfortunately the same cannot be said about the
demographics of 'Azad Kashmir' or PK i.e, Punjabized Kashmir!
Joseph:
Do read the Hindu of 21st August to know about the ex-Governor Lt.Gen
Sinha. Who knows you might want to rethink what you said about him.
Shoukat Shah of Jamaat Ahl-e Hadith says he is not a right wing
communalist, for he approved an Islamic University to be set up by
that body in the state of J&K. And see above for the exaggerated
importance of Kashmiris helping the yatris! For most, it is a good
business to transport the yatris i.e., pure commercial activity. And
Some Kashmiris may not feel themselves as Indians and as i pointed out
in my earlier posts.they are free to take a single way trip to
Muzaffarabad and join 'Azad' Kashmir in the Islamic Republic of
Pakistan where Islam will never be in danger! Hopefully IROAR
(Independent Republic of Arundhati Roy) will do the same and write
about glorious Taliban in tribal areas of Pakistan and the inequities
facing the minorities of Azad Kashmir (i.e, the Kashmiris themselves
reduced to minority by Punjabi Pakistanis). Am sure an interview of
Mullah Omar by her would be a treat to read.
J&K will remain part of the Union of India, as it is a sacred Hindu
land and the Shiv Lingam which is an icicle yes, wasnt discovered by a
Muslim shepherd for the first time. Its existence in history has been
known for a very long time. Its just another canard being spread to
depict the cravenly anti-Hindu, pro-Taliban mindset of Geelani &
company as a peaceful manifestation of Kashmiriyat which it most
definitely isnt!
Nadeem:
India does have a backbone thank you very much, the Ummah
unfortunately hasnt ever grown one! Do read Robert Fisk's excellent
book on the conquest of the Middle East to know about how the Muslim
rulers of various countries have gone about efficiently in the
twentieth century to prolong their rule! Closer home the role of
Gen.Zia in Jordan in 1970, the Pakistan Army's role in erstwhile East
Pakistan in ethnic cleansing and genocide, Gen. Musharraf's 'To do a
Bugti' and of course ISI's role in the creation, nurturing, training,
arming and controlling Taliban are apt lessons am sure. As to IROAR
(see above for definition), i hope she finds a country she would like
to live in on the planet earth (Talibanland hopefully). If not, a
petition for naming her as a candidate for India's manned or human
mission to the moon gets my vote. Vir Sanghvi has a paper to sell so
he is going to be provocative. One partition of the Country was
enough! Never again. The price of Kashmir is worth more than 5 billion
dollars that the Central Govt has given the state. Its time to stress
and out the corruption of the political leaders in J&K! Implicit in
his article is his foolish belief that normalcy will return i.e, no
Pakistan backed, aided and abetted Islamic terrorism in India once
lets say the Kashmir valley is allowed to secede. It would be like a
shark smelling blood and going in for the kill and fostering ever more
bloodier and deadlier terrorist attacks in India. The old Mughal dream
of ruling Delhi isnt quite died yet in Pakistan. So J&K will remain
Indian and the valley people can either enjoy the fruits of economic
development in India and participate fully as citizens as is their due
or keep going on daily strikes economically hurting no one but
themselves alone.
I hope the Govt. of India takes lessons from the fact that they
allowed Geelani a passport to visit the US for medical treatment for
his cancer last year. They probably regret that decision now.
Moreover, with the rise in inflation and series of errors by the
present UPA Govt i.e., Ram Setu, Afzal, the terrorist bombs, Maoist
violence, Amarnath Land reversal, the rise of Mayawati in splitting
the Congress vote bank, no communal violence in BJP ruled states of
Rajasthan, Karnataka and Gujarat even after terrorist bomb attacks
there ..the BJP has a very good chance of being reelected to power in
the next general elections.
Posted by: Dolivaw | August 25, 2008 5:44 PM
A Muslim separatist leader has said he wants all aspects of life in
Kashmir to be governed by Islam. What happens to non-Muslims? Most of
them have already been killed and driven out. Where is Patel's article
on the plight of non-Muslims?
Does it also mean wherever Muslims become in majority (could happen in
the U.S. as well), they will ask for a separate Islamic nation?
Islam invaded India in 1200s. It was all Hindu/Buddhist before that.
Kashmir and Porkistan all belong to Hindus but Hindus do not believe
in strapping on a suicide belt and blowing up human beings to get
their land back.
Latest: civilians blown up peace loving Muslims today in Darfur,
Porkistan, Phillipines, Algeria....all in the name of Islam
Latest:
Posted by: Jayesh | August 25, 2008 5:32 PM
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/eboo_patel/2008/08/todays_guest_blogger_is_hafsa.html
...and I am Sid Harth